Machine fighting me

**SVR** · 11-13-2006, 05:28 AM

Had some trouble with the 9227 the other day and is becoming a regular problem

Whenever using a strong to medium polish like sfx1, OHC and Prima swirl, I do all the proper pad prep steps like spraying with Pad conditioner or CK QS.

Apply a 6 inch line of product to first panel, then 4 pea sided drops on the rest and after the first pass, the machine won`t glide across the panel easily, it wants to go opposite direction to me and I have to push it to move.

I have to spray more water or QS onto the panel and go again

It happens on both just rinsed pads and primed ones.

The product by no means has totally broken down and dried, it`s too early for that.

I do notice that it only happens with edge pads, not 3M white or black foam`s

Edge green and yellow are the main problems.

So what`s the problem

Not enough product

Too much product

Backing plate stuffed or out of alignment (it`s an edge plate and much better than standard makita one but been used almost daily for about six months.

Thinking about getting a new makita and going to edge 2000 system and keeping this one for doing bars and side mirrors and using softer products like Blackfire finishing polish, VM and Prime acrylic. Just a back up machine.

**zippymbr** · 11-13-2006, 08:25 AM

I do not think that it is the Makita! It seems like a pad with too much polish problem. But I have no experience with the Edge pads. but I have had this problem come up with a clogged pad and I just spur the pad and move on.

**fdizzle** · 11-13-2006, 03:03 PM

iv had that issue with my hitachi and the lake country 7.5 curved pads.

when i stepped down to the 6`` pads i use for my PC, problem went away.

i probably dont know how to correctly use the curved edge pads yet. in time, in time.

good luck . . .

**SVR** · 11-14-2006, 03:15 AM

Thanks guys. I clean out my pads with a water rinse

What tool do you use to spur foam pads? - edge tool maybe

**cwcad** · 11-14-2006, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by SVR

Thanks guys. I clean out my pads with a water rinse

What tool do you use to spur foam pads? - edge tool maybe

I use the end of the detail tooth brush that I keep in my carpenter bib pocket to spur the pads when they become built up. Simple ...yet effective.

**Anthony O.** · 11-14-2006, 08:22 AM

What rpm`s are you using?

Why are you wetting the pad?

Instead of a "line" put down a nickel to quarter size amount of polish, place the pad on top and lightly trigger the buffer a few times to pick up the product (this helps avoid sling) and then begin polishing.

Stay as centered as possible over the buffer and RELAX while doing this.

Anthony

**zippymbr** · 11-15-2006, 08:30 AM

To spur the pad I use the rounded end of my PC wrench or something like it.

**Accumulator** · 11-15-2006, 12:00 PM

I spur foam pads with a fairly stiff toothbrush-style brush (plastic bristles).

I like Anthony Orosco`s method :xyxthumbs (although, being fairly unskilled with the rotary, I still sometimes get sling

). I`ve tried the "pick up the line" method but I can`t do it right consistently. Probably could do a lot better with more practice, but I dunno if there`d be any real point to developing that ability.

**SVR** · 11-16-2006, 04:13 AM

I am not getting sling but just followed menzerna`s directions on the bottle of a six inch line, then a few drops for every panel afterwards

OK anthony, I will try a nickel. Usually I will do the top half of a door in one hit so I doubt a nickel would be enough???

RPM`s - 600 to start, up to 1000, third pass 1100 - 1300 (mostly 1200)

I dampen the pad with XMT because if I do not, as soon as I start the machine, I get all this dust flying everywhere from the dry pad and the product. It`s like talcum powder on the panel

Obviously I am nothing compared to you anthony so thanks for the advice.

Yes I agree, I stay central.

My technique has been - go from right to left at 100 to 400 rpm and pick up the polish, then do the first pass with the handle of the machine vertical, then second pass I switch to

the other way , from top to bottom and repeat. It`s always with the final pass that the machine gets funny.

In the last couple days I have not had any trouble so looking good from now on

Just cut down on my product usage

Wouldn`t using a toothbrush or that PC wrench tear the foam pad or cut into it, leaving grooves

**Accumulator** · 11-16-2006, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by SVR

I am not getting sling..

Wouldn`t using a toothbrush or that PC wrench tear the foam pad or cut into it, leaving grooves

Glad to hear you can pick up the line without getting sling, wish I could

The brush I`m using is pretty stiff (*way* stiffer than a toothbrush! I`m talking hard plastic bristle-stiff) but it doesn`t tear up my pads, not even the softer ones and I`m not gentle about it. Sorta surprised me. But YMMV since it`ll depend on the actual brush in question.