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    Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Executive Summary - The USA state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.


    The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana. The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal - confiscation of privately owned firearms.

    Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obamas face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.

    Important Points - If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the USA, the very document that empowers the USA.
    Silencers made in Montana and sold in Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.

    There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in Montana. Way to go Montana.

    Discussion - Let us see what Obama does. If he hits Montana hard they will probably vote to secede from the USA. The governor of Texas has already been refusing Federal money because he does not want to agree to the conditions that go with it and he has been saying secession is a right they have as sort of a threat. Things are no longer the same with the USA. Do not be deceived by Obama acting as if all is the same, it is not.


    Text of the New Law
    HOUSE BILL NO. 246
    INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK, BENNETT, BUTCHER, CURTISS, RANDALL, WARBURTON
    AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN MONTANA; AND PROVIDING AN APPLICABILITY DATE.
    BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:

    Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".

    Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:
    (1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
    (2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights, as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
    (3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition.
    (4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.(5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures to Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was approved by congress and the people of Montana, and the right exists, as it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

    Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the following definitions apply:
    (1) "Borders of Montana" means the boundaries of Montana described in Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.
    (2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.
    (3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to springs, screws, nuts, and pins.
    (4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.

    Section 4. Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories , and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into Montana from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Montana.

    Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:
    (1) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;
    (2) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;
    (3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or
    (4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.

    Section 6. Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in Montana" clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.

    Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].

    Section 8. Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in [section 3], and retained in Montana after October 1, 2009.
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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Glen Beck had a legislator from Texas last night and they are going to pass the same bill as Montana.


    This will go to the US supreme court

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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Quote Originally Posted by black bart View Post
    This will go to the US supreme court
    Finally a civil rights case I won`t be mad at the cost of ejudication.
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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronkh View Post
    Finally a civil rights case I won`t be mad at the cost of ejudication.
    We can afford the cost of edjudication now yesterday Obama cut in half the money paid to policemen killed in the line of duty.

    Today he cut the x-raying of trucks coming over the border.

    I feel soooo much safer now that he is looking out for us.

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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Hope. Change.

    There ya go. Everything is a-okay now.
    I still don`t believe in grit guards.

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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Quote Originally Posted by black bart View Post
    We can afford the cost of edjudication now yesterday Obama cut in half the money paid to policemen killed in the line of duty.

    Today he cut the x-raying of trucks coming over the border.

    I feel soooo much safer now that he is looking out for us.
    Hadn`t heard about the cutting death benefits to kia cops. Gotta ck that when I go in to the ambulance since we are a division of the PD.
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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Man we are just having problems getting Ammo here in Tennessee.
    No more Gun Range for me.....I`m saving mine for "Tha Showdown"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash gordon View Post
    Man we are just having problems getting Ammo here in Tennessee.
    No more Gun Range for me.....I`m saving mine for "Tha Showdown"...
    Very tough getting 9mm or .38 here.
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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    It seems he thinks that he found a loophole in the way to legislate firearms. It would provide too much of a battle to get rid of guns, so he`s starting to put a stronghold on ammunition. Here is an e-mail I got from my grandfather a few days ago:

    Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America (they sell 9 mm, 45, etc., ammo). They normally buy spent brass from the US Dept. of Defense - `one time used` shell casings by our Military - from training on Military bases, etc. They buy the brass and then reload for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Shops, Gun Clubs, Walmart, and etc. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time. This week the DOD wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and said that from now on the DOD will be destroying the brass -- shredding it. It is no longer available to the Ammo makers -- less they just buy it in a scrap shredded condition (which they have No use for). The shredded brass is NOW going to be sold by the DOD to China as scrap metal....after the DOD pays for it to be shredded. The DOD is selling the brass to China for less money than Ammo manufacturers have been paying...plus the DOD has to pay to have the brass shredded and do all the accounting paperwork. That sure helps the US economy now, doesn`t it? Sell cheaper to China - and do not sell shells at all to a proven US business. Any agenda working here???? Obama going after our ammunition!!!!! The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week -- and the DOD contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed. Shell Casings he had already bought! THE BRASS HAS NO VALUE TO THE AMMO MAKER IF IT IS DESTROYED/SHREDDED/MELTED. THE AMMO MANUFACTURER ONLY USES THE EMPTY BRASS SHELLS TO RELOAD DIFFERENT CALIBERS - MAINLY .223 BULLETS. Georgia Arms owner says that he will have to lay off at least Half of his 60 workers, within 2 - 3 months if the DOD no longer sells their spent brass to him. He has 2 - 3 months inventory of shells to use. By summer - he`s out. If he has to buy new manufactured brass shells, then the cost of ammunition to the buyer will double and triple...plus
    Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell. You can read the info and see the DOD letter to Georgia Arms here:

    The Shootist Site
    The Shootist
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    Re: Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law.

    Quote Originally Posted by audiboy View Post
    It seems he thinks that he found a loophole in the way to legislate firearms. It would provide too much of a battle to get rid of guns, so he`s starting to put a stronghold on ammunition. Here is an e-mail I got from my grandfather a few days ago:

    Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America (they sell 9 mm, 45, etc., ammo). They normally buy spent brass from the US Dept. of Defense - `one time used` shell casings by our Military - from training on Military bases, etc. They buy the brass and then reload for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Shops, Gun Clubs, Walmart, and etc. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time. This week the DOD wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and said that from now on the DOD will be destroying the brass -- shredding it. It is no longer available to the Ammo makers -- less they just buy it in a scrap shredded condition (which they have No use for). The shredded brass is NOW going to be sold by the DOD to China as scrap metal....after the DOD pays for it to be shredded. The DOD is selling the brass to China for less money than Ammo manufacturers have been paying...plus the DOD has to pay to have the brass shredded and do all the accounting paperwork. That sure helps the US economy now, doesn`t it? Sell cheaper to China - and do not sell shells at all to a proven US business. Any agenda working here???? Obama going after our ammunition!!!!! The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week -- and the DOD contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed. Shell Casings he had already bought! THE BRASS HAS NO VALUE TO THE AMMO MAKER IF IT IS DESTROYED/SHREDDED/MELTED. THE AMMO MANUFACTURER ONLY USES THE EMPTY BRASS SHELLS TO RELOAD DIFFERENT CALIBERS - MAINLY .223 BULLETS. Georgia Arms owner says that he will have to lay off at least Half of his 60 workers, within 2 - 3 months if the DOD no longer sells their spent brass to him. He has 2 - 3 months inventory of shells to use. By summer - he`s out. If he has to buy new manufactured brass shells, then the cost of ammunition to the buyer will double and triple...plus
    Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell. You can read the info and see the DOD letter to Georgia Arms here:

    The Shootist Site
    The Shootist
    To play devil`s advocate, you should really check that on Snopes. It`s not all what it appears to be.

    snopes.com: DoD Suspension of Brass Cartridge Casing Sales
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    So, the DoD did put a halt to the sale of military brass to the public, but reversed it`s decision later on after further review(and probably a lot of hate mail). It still happened though. I should have probably researched that one a little bit myself, but the information I receive from my grandfather is usually pretty accurate.
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    The biggest reason ammo is tough to get right now, is because of the large number of new shooters/firearm owners.

    Everybody is afraid that O, P, R, F will take away our right to bear arms. But they allow Michelle to bare arms*.


    *and that makes more news than anything that really affects the American people.
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