The Unofficial *Official* Politics Thread

[artm3]

Youre really gonna tell me that the touchy-wouchy sensitive please dont hurt my feelings society weve become is positive progress?

Whatever happened to “sticks and stones may break my bones...” and all that?

as opposed to one where the strong abuse the weak?

it used to be legal to rape your wife
NEW YORK JOINS 17 STATES THAT DENY WIVES ARE PROPERTY - RAPE IN A MARRIAGE IS NO LONGER WITHIN LAW - NYTimes.com

do we want kids cowered until they explode?
things change

[GearHead_1]

Wow! That one caught me completely by surprise. Right out of left field, with news from 1984 to spur the discussion.

[Anthony O.]

everywhere
quit judging, if I didn`t know better I would think you are `elevating` your beliefs above those of others, like an `elitist`

relax, you`ll blow a gasket

Hello artm3,

I find it hypocritical to state to me, "quit judging" as you go on to "judge" me as one who "elevates" my "beliefs above those of others, like an elitist". Don`t you find that as such?

Also, my post was based on things that, as far as I have researched, are factucal. There are programs in place to look the other way. This seems to have happened with the Florida shooter. The system put in place failed. The NRA did not fail these kids as they did not put together this program, as far as I know. The shooter, again as far as I know, was not an NRA member.

President Obama and Eric Holder seemed to push for this program. Does this mean they are at fault? Nope, they didn`t shoot those kids. What has happened though is they may have put a program in place that allowed this kid to slip thru and that`s a tragedy.

Anthony

[Anthony O.]

as opposed to one where the strong abuse the weak?

it used to be legal to rape your wife
NEW YORK JOINS 17 STATES THAT DENY WIVES ARE PROPERTY - RAPE IN A MARRIAGE IS NO LONGER WITHIN LAW - NYTimes.com

do we want kids cowered until they explode?
things change

Is the question, "Is it illegal or legal to rape your wife?" or is it better asked, "Is it ethical (moral) to rape your wife?"

Morally it is wrong to rape an unknown woman, let alone your wife. It is wrong, morally, to murder another. We do not need written laws to know that. Thus, morally, if a husband would "rape" his wife then he never loved her and never understood his vows.

Anthony

[jrock645]

as opposed to one where the strong abuse the weak?

it used to be legal to rape your wife
NEW YORK JOINS 17 STATES THAT DENY WIVES ARE PROPERTY - RAPE IN A MARRIAGE IS NO LONGER WITHIN LAW - NYTimes.com

do we want kids cowered until they explode?
things change

Kids pick on each other. Always have, it’s part of growing up. It used to be, if you were upset about it you’d be told to be above it and not let it bother you. “Sticks and Stones” and all that. Somewhere, that stopped. After columbine, we blame the bullies. Kids don’t have to be tough anymore because they can blame the bullies. They can shoot up their school and society will blame the bullies. What happened to “screw em, don’t worry about it” and just move forward? This society has an excuse for everything anymore and it’s flat out embarrassing.

I came up in my career in one extremely notable world class kitchen. Think the marine corps of cooks. We got berated daily. You got better or you left. Wanna be treated like a grown man, then work and act like one. Until then, deal with it. Participation trophies and being told your best effort is good enough, even if it sucked, is ruining this country.

What gets me, is somewhere along the lines people started actually believing all this nonsense. I went to a very small catholic school growing up. Our basketball team was terrible. We lost all but 1 game per year, and lost badly. At the end of the season, our coach gave us trophies that said “winning is giving your all.” Even at 8 years old I recognized that as complete garbage.

Where did America decide to get so soft? Btw, I have no idea what your response has to do with what’s been discussed. And yeah, things change but this paradigm shift hasn’t changed anything for the better. Kids eat laundry detergent these days. Kids are shooting their peers at school. Drug use is up. Divorce rate is up, etc. So are you really gonna tell me that it’s a good thing to tell kids that losing is no different than winning, if a teacher is too tough you can complain, nobody can tell you you’re wrong just do what you want, and that nobody is allowed to hurt your feelings and the result of all that is GOOD for society? You’re gonna tell me that’s the same as outlawing rape?

[Stokdgs]

as opposed to one where the strong abuse the weak?

it used to be legal to rape your wife
NEW YORK JOINS 17 STATES THAT DENY WIVES ARE PROPERTY - RAPE IN A MARRIAGE IS NO LONGER WITHIN LAW - NYTimes.com

do we want kids cowered until they explode?
things change

Ah, Shoot, guess no one today will ever get past Military Basic Training then ???
These kids would all probably pee their pants the first day..
Too bad...
Dan F

[Stokdgs]

Kids pick on each other. Always have, it’s part of growing up. It used to be, if you were upset about it you’d be told to be above it and not let it bother you. “Sticks and Stones” and all that. Somewhere, that stopped. After columbine, we blame the bullies. Kids don’t have to be tough anymore because they can blame the bullies. They can shoot up their school and society will blame the bullies. What happened to “screw em, don’t worry about it” and just move forward? This society has an excuse for everything anymore and it’s flat out embarrassing.

I came up in my career in one extremely notable world class kitchen. Think the marine corps of cooks. We got berated daily. You got better or you left. Wanna be treated like a grown man, then work and act like one. Until then, deal with it. Participation trophies and being told your best effort is good enough, even if it sucked, is ruining this country.

What gets me, is somewhere along the lines people started actually believing all this nonsense. I went to a very small catholic school growing up. Our basketball team was terrible. We lost all but 1 game per year, and lost badly. At the end of the season, our coach gave us trophies that said “winning is giving your all.” Even at 8 years old I recognized that as complete garbage.

Where did America decide to get so soft? Btw, I have no idea what your response has to do with what’s been discussed. And yeah, things change but this paradigm shift hasn’t changed anything for the better. Kids eat laundry detergent these days. Kids are shooting their peers at school. Drug use is up. Divorce rate is up, etc. So are you really gonna tell me that it’s a good thing to tell kids that losing is no different than winning, if a teacher is too tough you can complain, nobody can tell you you’re wrong just do what you want, and that nobody is allowed to hurt your feelings and the result of all that is GOOD for society? You’re gonna tell me that’s the same as outlawing rape?

JRock645 ------ Loved that story... Especially the Marine Corps part... You learned, worked hard, learned how to work under pressure, took challenges head on, utilized inner strength and determination that you were not going to fail..
You went to a Parochial School..
Parents loved you guys..
See how good you turned out ???


I grew up working as a small boy.. We were very poor after my Dad became an unpaid Minister..
But you know, I learned a lot before and after that happened, and am grateful today all the hard parts..
They all combined to help polish me to be what I am today..
My parents taught us the Golden Rule and a lot more from the Scriptures..

No one was over indulged, spoiled, etc.., all 5 of us kids had to work, and give all the money to our dear Mother..

We learned to ALWAYS RESPECT Our ELDERS.... No excuses for not doing this...
It was really just common courtesy...Everyone grew up this way...

Dad had the last word and you hoped that Mother forgot to tell him something you did that day that made her angry..
We KNEW, absolutely KNEW, our Parents and our Siblings loved us, loved each other...
We were in Church every Sunday, Wednesday, and Saturday to clean it all up for Sunday..

At elementary school back then, if a kid Bullied you, you met him after school behind the big brick incinerator and beat the crap out of him and he never Bullied you again...
Problem solved, no issues, no "Im gonna get a gun and shoot up the school" BS.. We just took care of each other and that was that.. The Bully stopped being one and eventually you were friends again...

Now, I just hear today from a good friend who is taking care of an aged Mother for a Family that the little 2-year old boy who lives there gets really angry if everyone does NOT applaud when he makes a basket... One must acknowledge his achievement EVERY TIME or he blows a head gasket...
Sad.... Hope he grows out of it, or he will be one of those people who throws their Silver Olympic Medal into the crowd, because it wasn`t a Gold Medal....

Yes, Mi Hermano, there is and has been a real course change from when you and I grew up..
Dan F

[Anthony O.]

Parents tell their kids, "Winning and being first is not important" then they turn around and say, "Oh damn it! How did my team lose that game?!?"

[Stokdgs]

Parents tell their kids, "Winning and being first is not important" then they turn around and say, "Oh damn it! How did my team lose that game?!?"

Anthony ---
Totally agree and have witnessed that very behavior many times at kids games..

What ever happened to playing sports for the enjoyment of just playing sports ??? No worries about winning, no pressure to perform perfectly...
We played because we enjoyed the game, enjoyed each other, and saw each other get better sometimes from all those days of throwing the softball as far as you could, etc...
Dan F

[LashingStanley]

Is the question, "Is it illegal or legal to rape your wife?" or is it better asked, "Is it ethical (moral) to rape your wife?"

Morally it is wrong to rape an unknown woman, let alone your wife. It is wrong, morally, to murder another. We do not need written laws to know that. Thus, morally, if a husband would "rape" his wife then he never loved her and never understood his vows.

Anthony

I agree Anthony. Why on earth do we need laws protecting women who have been forcefully raped by their husbands? If it were up to me, the husband should be able to say 10 Hail Mary`s & all is forgiven.

[Anthony O.]

I agree Anthony. Why on earth do we need laws protecting women who have been forcefully raped by their husbands? If it were up to me, the husband should be able to say 10 Hail Mary`s & all is forgiven.

Stanley, are you serious? Please forgive me if I misunderstood your reply here but if you`re being serious and giving me a rebuttal of sorts then you have a tough time with comprehension.

If you read again my statement I am stating that there should not be a law that says it`s ever ok to rape your wife. Also, the laws, if you read or know about the early laws, saw the wife as "property" to the head or master of the homestead. They had little to no rights or say, therefore being "property" husbands could force themselves on their wives. My arguement was that no husband should ever rape his wife, it is wrong, just as the rape of any woman is wrong. These should be "morally" and "ethically" known as true without a law saying so. I find it odd that your sarcastic rebuttal, if that was your intention, agrees with my original statement.

Anthony

[artm3]

Hello artm3,

I find it hypocritical to state to me, "quit judging" as you go on to "judge" me as one who "elevates" my "beliefs above those of others, like an elitist". Don`t you find that as such?

Also, my post was based on things that, as far as I have researched, are factucal. There are programs in place to look the other way. This seems to have happened with the Florida shooter. The system put in place failed. The NRA did not fail these kids as they did not put together this program, as far as I know. The shooter, again as far as I know, was not an NRA member.

President Obama and Eric Holder seemed to push for this program. Does this mean they are at fault? Nope, they didn`t shoot those kids. What has happened though is they may have put a program in place that allowed this kid to slip thru and that`s a tragedy.

Anthony

no

that is exactly what you did
you are right
liberals are wrong and destroying society

mine was a statement of fact on your comment

[Ronkh]

[Setec Astronomy]

Ha ha, I like that one, Ron!

[Angus]

Ha!