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    Well, thanks for that excellent graphic, Ron. Tell me, in that Parkland shooting last week, there was an on-duty, armed, "resource officer" in the school, yet he reportedly did not fire a shot, and I have not heard that he played any role in the arrest of the suspect. What are your thoughts on the effectiveness of that "gun in the school"?

    I`ll also point out that in the Pulse nightclub shooting, there was on off-duty cop there on a PBA job, who was armed, and was unable to neutralize the shooter. So in that case, there was a trained, armed, cop, who was not there partying, but it was his JOB to provide security, yet he was ineffective. Logic would suggest that since he was the "first responder", even if he was unable prevent all of the deaths, he certainly would have been the one to shoot the perp, but he was not. Your thoughts on the effectiveness of this gun in a public place in combating mass shootings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy View Post
    Well, thanks for that excellent graphic, Ron. Tell me, in that Parkland shooting last week, there was an on-duty, armed, "resource officer" in the school, yet he reportedly did not fire a shot, and I have not heard that he played any role in the arrest of the suspect. What are your thoughts on the effectiveness of that "gun in the school"?

    I`ll also point out that in the Pulse nightclub shooting, there was on off-duty cop there on a PBA job, who was armed, and was unable to neutralize the shooter. So in that case, there was a trained, armed, cop, who was not there partying, but it was his JOB to provide security, yet he was ineffective. Logic would suggest that since he was the "first responder", even if he was unable prevent all of the deaths, he certainly would have been the one to shoot the perp, but he was not. Your thoughts on the effectiveness of this gun in a public place in combating mass shootings?
    My thought is that one SRO for 3000 students with as large as that school is, simply is not enough. And how did he get into the school? He wasn`t a student, or have any reason to be there.

    This is very simple. THe fact is that you don`t like guns and are blinded by that.
    What`s so different when we were kids? Guns haven`t changed............


    And as far as you being uneasy at the sight of guns in the airport after 911, is simple to fix as well. The "school marshals" (for lack of better phrase) can be in plain clothes and unobtrusive.
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    Trump talking points at gun discussion...he knows the best words
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    Re: The Unofficial *Official* Politics Thread

    I guess the sight of guns makes mass shooters scared too.




    Killers continue targeting locations where guns are not allowed. Ninety-eight percent of public mass shootings in this country occur in gun-free zones — the Florida school being one of them.


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    Just in case you missed it........

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...=socialnetwork
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronkh View Post
    This is very simple. THe fact is that you don`t like guns and are blinded by that.
    What`s so different when we were kids? Guns haven`t changed............

    And as far as you being uneasy at the sight of guns in the airport after 911, is simple to fix as well. The "school marshals" (for lack of better phrase) can be in plain clothes and unobtrusive.
    I believe Gearhead cautioned us earlier not to make presumptions about other members or what goes on inside their heads, lest we veer from opinion into insult.

    I don`t think you know my "feelings" on guns, I`m certainly not blinded, and I certainly wasn`t "uneasy" about National Guardsmen in the airports after 9/11, I simply felt it was for show and not a real solution to what happened, and a step in the wrong direction--it gave the appearance of weakness, not strength. Do you feel less safe in airports now that the Guardsmen (generally) aren`t there?

    So, you feel there weren`t enough resource officers in Parkland, fine, point taken. Should the Pulse nightclub, similarly, have had more than one trained, armed, plainclothes security officer? Is that the reason that cop was ineffective? Because there was only one of him? What is the right number for a 3000-student school or a nightclub?

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    My thoughts on why over the past few decades there`s been such an increase in mass shootings. Schools/society has been teaching that any behavior should be accepted, except for standing up for the golden rule. Don`t ask don`t tell, your picking on them. Things like the homemade clock the student brought to school in Houston. Yes it looked like it could be a bomb. Those who spoke up, and to action to make sure everyone was safe. Those people were so chastised, humiliated, torn down, and the child to be made out as a hero. This is just one example of how we may be told to speak up. The reality is if you do, you`ll be treated so horribly prison might sound better.
    We as a society need to stop letting people/media divide us into groups for the sake of confrontation and entertainment. Don`t even get me started on totally fake news, which is way worse than single angled news. These things are only used to incite anger. Ok I`m rambling now.
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    Ronkh....your entire argument is akin to a doctor telling you the reason you have heart disease is because you don`t have enough Crestor or Lipitor in your body

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    In that same logic, not having enough Crestor or lipitor in your body means the existing disease gets worse.

    Sooooo, ban heart disease? Or ban Crestor or Lipitor? I`m not following.

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    Re: The Unofficial *Official* Politics Thread

    I love how the Broward County sheriff owned the NRA spokesperson last night:

    Sheriff slams NRA rep, calls for ban on assault rifles - NY Daily News

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    Its a pretty simple analogy, not having enough Crestor or Lipitor in your body is not the cause of the heart disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronkh View Post
    What`s so different when we were kids? Guns haven`t changed............
    I suspected the answer was "but the availability has" but I didn`t have anything to back it up, however here`s a quote from the SunSentinel:

    "The Gun Control Act of 1968 increased the age to buy a handgun to 21 but set the age for rifles and long guns at 18, said William Vizzard, an expert on gun laws and a professor at Sacramento State University.At that time, the AR-15 — introduced in the early 1960s — was not easy to find, he said.
    “Nobody bought them,” said Vizzard, a former ATF special agent. “Long guns were seen differently when the law was passed, and nobody has made a concerted effort to change that. They were all American and used for hunting and target shooting. The market has shifted.”

    No one is trying to take your guns away, Ron, or Gearhead`s. I fail to see any impact to either of you if the age to buy an AR-15 were raised to 21, or if the background check requirements for a semi-auto weapon were a little more invasive than they are now, since it seems you both have had rigorous background checks. Again, according to the SunSentinel this is what the shooter passed:

    "Cruz passed a background check, which looks at criminal history and whether someone has been found to be “mentally defective” by a court, said Peter Forcelli, the special agent in charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in South Florida. People who voluntarily seek mental health treatment can still buy a gun, a loophole intended to not penalize them for seeking help. Cruz was in mental health treatment until 14 months ago, when he stopped going, Broward Mayor Beam Furr said.Gun store employees had no knowledge of Cruz’s medical history because it didn’t have to be reported to them, the attorneys said."


    Perhaps a law enforcement interview in order to buy a semi-auto weapon would have prevented this shooter from having a gun. Again, this is something I presume you have already done and Gearhead has stated he has also, so you two already "pass".




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    I love how the Broward County sheriff owned the NRA spokesperson last night:
    unfortunately his sheriff`s department seems to have also failed as did the school system for not reporting someone who brought bullets to school and had been known to threaten people .. there is more than enough blame to go around and standing behind statistics will not bring any of the victims back from any of the shootings .... what happened to people trying to find answers rather than blame ?


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    And not having enough armed police officers in schools doesn`t cause gun violence either. The drugs (armed guards) can be useful in treating and preventing heart disease (gun violence) from getting worse, which I think was the point Ron was trying to make using the logic of your analogy.



    Quote Originally Posted by DBAILEY View Post
    Its a pretty simple analogy, not having enough Crestor or Lipitor in your body is not the cause of the heart disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angus View Post
    I love how the Broward County sheriff owned the NRA spokesperson last night:

    Sheriff slams NRA rep, calls for ban on assault rifles - NY Daily News
    Yet when she called law enforcements failures out, all of a sudden the only person to blame was the shooter

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