I find the issue of (genuine) Conscientious Objectors to be a bit complicated. If somebody *really* believes that their religion utterly forbids the taking of another`s life or even contributing to it indirectly...well, defying one`s religion can be a big deal given that person`s Worldview.
Are there allowances for such beliefs, like....some MOS or Service Alternative that can accommodate such beliefs so that person could still Serve without violating their beliefs? I simply don`t know about such stuff...
Beliefs are too easy to fake and certainly impossible to be sure that a person actually holds a certain belief. The draft was not America at its finest, but I understand our leaders thought they had no choice. We have to follow our leaders(right or wrong) or society as a whole could fail. Only history knows who was right in the end. We can`t pick and choose which laws to follow, so why does a persons belief system have anything to do with anything? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few as Mr. Spock so eloquently stated. But we could also get into lawful and unlawful orders that soldiers have to deal with. The old "my beliefs trump your beliefs" thing can be a hot nasty mess that no one will ever figure out. We could have a never ending discussion on this stuff. Great fodder for the interweb.
08-11-2016, 10:16 PM
GearHead_1
Re: Random thoughts thread
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Originally Posted by 512detail
Saw this ad on fb and thought, `this is probably how Ron mixes his wash bucket`, lol (minus the brand of course)
So... wait, this isn`t how we`re supposed to do it? Whacha you talkin` bout Willis?
08-11-2016, 10:17 PM
512detail
Re: Random thoughts thread
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Originally Posted by GearHead_1
So... wait, this isn`t how we`re supposed to do it?
Nope, I prefer two gallon containers
And sandals
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08-12-2016, 03:56 AM
Ronkh
Re: Random thoughts thread
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Originally Posted by rlmccarty2000
Beliefs are too easy to fake and certainly impossible to be sure that a person actually holds a certain belief. The draft was not America at its finest, but I understand our leaders thought they had no choice. We have to follow our leaders(right or wrong) or society as a whole could fail. Only history knows who was right in the end. We can`t pick and choose which laws to follow, so why does a persons belief system have anything to do with anything? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few as Mr. Spock so eloquently stated. But we could also get into lawful and unlawful orders that soldiers have to deal with. The old "my beliefs trump your beliefs" thing can be a hot nasty mess that no one will ever figure out. We could have a never ending discussion on this stuff. Great fodder for the interweb.
2 words:
Common courtesy.
08-12-2016, 03:57 AM
Ronkh
Re: Random thoughts thread
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Originally Posted by 512detail
Saw this ad on fb and thought, `this is probably how Ron mixes his wash bucket`, lol (minus the brand of course)
Re the discussion of Faith, "needs of the many vs. the needs of the few", unquestioningly following a leader`s orders, etc. etc. ....there are some subjects upon which some people are *NEVER* gonna agree and in some of those subjects IMO there can simply be no objective basis for opinion- it`s simply subjective (nothing wrong with that) and different subjects are...well, different. When the best we can go is agree-to-disagree, I think I`m gonna start just letting the matter drop.
08-12-2016, 11:35 AM
Ronkh
Re: Random thoughts thread
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Originally Posted by Accumulator
Re the discussion of Faith, "needs of the many vs. the needs of the few", unquestioningly following a leader`s orders, etc. etc. ....there are some subjects upon which some people are *NEVER* gonna agree and in some of those subjects IMO there can simply be no objective basis for opinion- it`s simply subjective (nothing wrong with that) and different subjects are...well, different. When the best we can go is agree-to-disagree, I think I`m gonna start just letting the matter drop.
I want to clarify my comment. What I meant or tried to say is that we now have a lack of common courtesy. People seem to think their wants and desires are more important than someone elses.
My comment was in no way directed at you.
08-12-2016, 12:10 PM
Accumulator
Re: Random thoughts thread
Ronkh- Copy that, and mine wasn`t directed at you either.
And I agree 100% (note that I never say "110%"...if I did this would qualify) about Common Courtesy.
[DELETED rant about how discourteous behavior used to get one killed and some of us still think that way...]
08-12-2016, 03:38 PM
512detail
Re: Random thoughts thread
these gummi bears im eating have carnauba wax as an ingredient
yum
08-12-2016, 03:42 PM
GearHead_1
Re: Random thoughts thread
Mmmm... Gummy Bears.
08-12-2016, 03:59 PM
512detail
Re: Random thoughts thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHead_1
Mmmm... Gummy Bears.
supervisor brings me bag of gummi bears with a smirk on his face.. I said... `Cat[astrophe] duty again, huh?` "yup" - `ok well you know I have two days off work (mon/tue) and i`m booked those days(he knows I run a business too)`
"no problem, we just need you here tomorrow" -- I had conditionally had that day off but I guess that`s what conditionally means, haha
I told him a 6 pack would have been more appreciated