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The GG6 is the most powerful, but that`s not necessarily a good thing. That machine has permanently damaged my wrists from using it (and the 2 others that broke) on a daily basis. Its been in the trunk of my car for over a year now collecting dustQuote:
Originally Posted by autoconcierge
My RUPES is smooth like butter. I can run that machine all day. No user fatigue there
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Originally Posted by felixthecat
I honestly never spent much time with the Rupes polishes, a few sessions on the test panels was about it. The pads are solid though, at least the white and yellow, but I had switched up to mainly B&S foam pads and then the new Megs discs when they came out. I would say the Groit`s pads are most comparable to the Megs discs, being so thin, but they have the addition of one more foam choice. Both are excellent options!
As far as the liquids go, I would say Fast Correct Cream is on par with M105, HD Cut, FG400, ect, and it has very little dust, especially when using the Griot`s MF pads, and a nice long working time. Wipe off is about average, but not as easy as say D300. Finish is very good and should only need a quick follow up with a finishing polish. You will see opinions all over the place on which compounds cut faster, so I won`t even bother with that as there are just too many variables. I had no issues removing 1500 grit sanding marks as well as heavy swirls and RIDS on hard German clears with same efficiency as any of my other go to compounds.
Correct Cream I would most closely relate to HD Adapt. Great one step that can cut well and finish LSP ready on most paints.
Finishing Cream has worked very well and finished down perfectly with every paint I used it on over the last 6 months.
My biggest draw to the liquids is the low dusting and long working time. I like to work clean and being able to 2-step a car without having to wash it or even dust it off is a big plus. Will I use these exclusively, of course not, but they have earned a solid spot in my detailing arsenal and have my nod of approval.
If you don`t work for Patent burrow, Rupes, or hold any of their stocks (assuming they are traded) I don`t see what the big huff and puff is about, LOL. Yes it`s a look-a-like product lots of things are...
Honestly like others have pointed out we rely on Asia for most for components in most of our consumer goods. Thus where it`s made is really a non issue to me. What is more important is were the profits are spent and reinvested if you want to get into economics of it all... But I for one think that`s best left for another forum all together.
I can`t wait to read some real objective based reviews from first hand accounts rather than speculations. I was on the cusp of buying a Rupes 21...
If we really want to get technical, Rupes did not come up with the large throw/long stroke-length DA concept either; that credit would actually go to Dynabrade in the industrial space.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipfreire
Does Dynabrade make polishers?
Indeed they do...Quote:
Originally Posted by rlmccarty2000
Dynabrade 57126 3-Inch 76 mm Diameter Dynabuffer Random Orbital Polisher, 10000 RPM, Rear Exhaust, 5/16-Inch - 24 Female Thread - Power Random Orbit Sanders - Amazon.com
Dynabrade 58455 5-Inch Dynabuffer Random Orbital Polisher - Power Random Orbit Sanders - Amazon.com
61374 Random Orbital Polisher Head Kit (5/8"-11 Female Thread) [PRICE is per EACH] - Power Random Orbit Sanders - Amazon.com
That`s just one small portion of their tool catalog; you`ll find the 3" air dynabuffer in particular on OEM assembly lines being used for denibbing and spot correction.
^ I can`t help but think of the documentary Talhotblond (Netflix) every time I here Dynabrade. It`s about a murder that took place at the Dynabrade factory.
It is also about having the money for lawyers to defend your patents. Even if the Griot`s is wildly successful and Rupes was successful in some patent claim to recover significant part of the lost revenue as damages, it may not be worth the legal battle. The polisher volumes are NOT that high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy
Rupes` only real strategy is to make their unit even better and try to reduce the price.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
This happens in every industry everyday. The only real solution is to :
Make the best product at the best price point. When a company feels that they can "over charge" the market because their current product is above the rest and tried to re-coupe their investment too fast this can open the door for imitators and competition.
We distribute 3M commercial cleaning products. They are always priced at a premium over the market. They have features that are not easily copied but over time they are copied. At that point they release a new product. They are usually top dog on the business every 2-3 years and it last 2-3 years until the industry catches up and they need to re-invent them selves again.
If Rupes follows the 3M model a new batch of polishers will be released and they will drop pricing on the current batch.
Lets see what happens. My guess it the Rupes will now be discountable everywhere just to keep pace with the new entrants in the market.
Since when is Italian made a good thing? I see a lot of people here that might be insecure about their RUPES.....
Good for GG. Will be purchasing one or both of these machines.
Im curious as to what the argument is? You can find instances through history where human being on opposite sides of the planet were faced with the same problem and created the same solution. Now with communication where it is today, did everyone expect the Griots machine to be ten feet long, gas powered with spikes sticking out of the handle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunky
I consider the Flex an example of a new design. They admit they took inspiration even re-used the washer fix. Why not 16mm or 22mm throw? It happens all the time in business and companies need to expect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Broceratops
No doubt this in already in the works. Hence my closing article comment. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunky
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The detailing industry has been exploding with great products, tools, and innovation over the past few years, fueled by a drive for excellence and thirst for competition and the top spot on the podium. Thus, with the release of these new Griot’s tools, I’m somehow reminded of the long history of the Camaro vs. the Mustang. Your move Rupes!
Just for fun, is it just me or in the past 5 or so years the detailing industry has exploded overnight? [Primarily new age chemicals/protection (Hydro2 and Si Coatings), rapid advancements of the dual action polisher, speed enhancing decontamination products like Iron removers and clay substitutes, speedy prep towels and AIO polishes that are eliminating a lot of steps (Covering a greater range from say 1-10)]
If its not on the exempt list on one the 15 or 20 percent off sales I may be very tempted to try one. Problem is which one 21 would be nice for the trucks I play with at work, but 15 would probably be better for doing my personal cars.