What do you think

[imported_Mr. Gloss]

I`m new at this game and realize that people can spend their money on whatever product they think works best for them.

Adams Glass Cleaner is $34.95 per gallon. It is ready to use, no dilution recommended. So you`re probably paying shipping on 100 ounces of water and 28 ounces of chemical.

Meguiars Glass Cleaner is $17.99 per gallon of concentrate and makes 11 gallons of quality glass cleaner.

I`m going to make the most sensible choice.

Do they claim that their MF products are Made in USA?

[Leadfootluke]

You too Luke?

I have had write-ups deleted on forums they sponsor, no one was ever able to give me a good reason why the threads where deleted.

I made a post on a forum Adams does not sponsor and it got dragged over to their forum. This is a member of their forum copying and pasting what I wrote on another car forum.

I was browsing the LX forums today and came across this thread in the detail subform where a guy was asking about what good DA paint correction kits are out there. Folks have been responding with everything really but this one reply struck me with a chuckle as he was bashing Adams and basically implying the value/cost to product wasn`t good...oh how he has no idea. These guys want the least expensive option with no regard to quality of product or anything...it`s kind of sad.

Anyway...enjoy and feel free to stop on over there and reply to unplug another from the matrix.
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I was looking for a kit and I skipped the Adams kit due to the price and what you get.

Porter Cable 7424xp Dual Action Polisher, Premium Porter Cable 5.875"" Velcro Backing Plate, Adam`s Foam Pads (1 each, orange, white, and black), Adam`s Swirl & Haze Remover Car Polish (16 oz.), Adam`s Fine Machine Car Polish (16 oz.), Adam`s Machine SuperWax (16 oz.), two Adam`s Double Soft Microfiber Towels (16" x 16"), Adam`s Detail Spray (16 oz.), Adam`s All-Purpose Cleaner (16oz.) and Adam`s Detailing Clay Bar

The polisher [Porter Cable, Griots, etc] can be found from $99 to $129 at a lot of different places online after discounts. Backing plates for the respective pads is $10-$15

With Adams, you only get 1 of each pad and you will need more than 1 of each to do a vehicle properly. You can get 6 pads online for $40 at places like this http://properautocare.com/lacoclflbfop.html

I posted in a thread here concerning pads. http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=236343 And like Coopers_Dad said, the pads depend on the products you use. With 105 and 205, you can get away with orange pads and black pads because 105 will eliminate almost all of the defects, but leave the paint nice enough to only need black pads with 205.

As far as polishes, with Adams you get 16oz of each polish, or with 105/205 you can get 32oz for $30 a piece [or as low as $20 with discounts around Christmas]. You could also use the consumer equivalents of Meguiars Ultimate compound and scratchx 2.0 for about $8 a piece.

Adams superwax is just a sealant, and a quality sealant can be purchased online for $12, unless you want something like Optimum Opti-Seal [which I something I use too]. It is $25 for 8oz, but to use it, you spray it on your applicator, wipe it over the paint, and walk away. No buffing it on, no wiping it off.

Plush microfibers can be bought in bulk from $2-$5 a piece, and if you plan on detailing your full vehicle, you will want a couple dozen ranging from costo type all purpose ones, to a few very good ones.

Clay bar kits are $15-$20 from most all auto parts stores and will work just as well as any other one. They will include 16 oz of detail spray too.

The other product is an All-Purpose cleaner. You will burn through 16oz before you finish your car. You can find some good APC`s locally, but I have always used and been extremely satisfied with Meguiars D103. It`s from their detailers line of products. 1 gallon concentrate that is full strength at 4:1 and medium/strong at 10:1. It is $13 a gallon, but yields up to 10 gallons of APC.

I totaled everything I recommend versus the Adams kit, and it comes out to $300 if you got a polisher at the highest price, twice as many pads [or 3 times if you get 2 types], 32oz of each polish vs 16oz of each [and 105/205 are really user friendly and get results very quickly and safely], a sealant, 5 times as many microfibers, and 20-40 times more APC.

You may need a few other things, like a tire dressing, brushes for wheels and tires, car wash, etc.

I have not used Adams polishes, and I don`t doubt the results. I find them to be pricey, and I do hang out at Autopia and no professional or hobbyist detailer has ever posted that they have used Adam`s polishes. It might be the pricepoint, or they aren`t happy with them. I understand they are easy to use, but it is not hard to know that orange is the first part and white is the second pad. That is the same with the pads I posted.

Good luck with your search for products. I have loved optimum, meguiars, and collinite [waxes] and have gotten great results on my details utilizing them. I know many professionals and hobbyists use them as well, and after trying them myself, I knew why.

Here is one detail I did with 105/205 http://www.lxforums.com/board/showth...27#post3272727

Here is another http://www.lxforums.com/board/showth...02#post3008902

I`m new at this game and realize that people can spend their money on whatever product they think works best for them.

Adams Glass Cleaner is $34.95 per gallon. It is ready to use, no dilution recommended. So you`re probably paying shipping on 100 ounces of water and 28 ounces of chemical.

Meguiars Glass Cleaner is $17.99 per gallon of concentrate and makes 11 gallons of quality glass cleaner.

I`m going to make the most sensible choice.

That`s exactly what my post was about.

Some of the replies

Great post, and most people out there focus on price over quality. That`s why is Wal-Mart so successful!

If you go to China for your polisher, towels, backing plate, etc, it is much cheaper. Figure, remove the "labor" part of the manufacturing, and walla, cheap goods!

I think there is one more thing that people don`t put a $ value on, and that`s the guarantee. If you buy from any of those companies, and are unhappy, get ready to pay a restocking fee, pay shipping both ways, and wait 30+ days for a refund.

We give a 110% refund, including shipping, immediately if unsatisfied. Is that worth a few extra bucks? Judging by the above post, some don`t think so!

:patriot:

Yeah, this is one of the guys who lowballs everything and then wonders why the results don`t look very good. Heck, he could just use pledge on the finish and be done with it. Why doesn`t he go that way? That would be a cost savings over the assembly of all the inferior products.

And gee, his assemblage is not an integrated system with everything working together. I guess the bottom line question is, what is good enough for you? For me, if I am going to put in all the effort, I want the results, period. I have been burned too many times with products and claims that never really come true (aka snakeoil), which is why Adam`s is refreshing - it does what they say it does.

Adam what you said was pretty much what I was thinking. I read that thread and saw things like "cheapest" or "made in china" or "32oz vs 16oz so it must be twice as good". Folks don`t seem to often consider quality these days (probably a product of the economy) and like you said more importantly the 110% guarantee. I mean really..one doesn`t have to be too quick to realize..hey I can buy this try it and get my money back if i dont like it..+10% That`s a no lose situation no matter how you slice it.

I hope that guy enjoys scratching up his car with his costco high value "plush" towels LOL.

There will always be those people who focus on cheapest and not worry about quality. Those people will never have cars a shiny as ours.

There is alot more to a product then just price, for me customer service, quality, and American made are the three important factors.

Regardless of price/made in the USA/and guarantee issued, I had a garage shelf full of so-so and premium car care products before I found Adam`s. But the thing was I never got really decent results from any of them -- each bottle or paste was one lackluster (no pun intended) disappointment after another. But with Adam`s I found a community of knowledge and help that showed me how to really get my cars shining. That`s priceless. :thumbsup:

Great post, and most people out there focus on price over quality. That`s why is Wal-Mart so successful!

If you go to China for your polisher, towels, backing plate, etc, it is much cheaper. Figure, remove the "labor" part of the manufacturing, and walla, cheap goods!

I think there is one more thing that people don`t put a $ value on, and that`s the guarantee. If you buy from any of those companies, and are unhappy, get ready to pay a restocking fee, pay shipping both ways, and wait 30+ days for a refund.

We give a 110% refund, including shipping, immediately if unsatisfied. Is that worth a few extra bucks? Judging by the above post, some don`t think so!

:patriot:

Yeah, this is one of the guys who lowballs everything and then wonders why the results don`t look very good. Heck, he could just use pledge on the finish and be done with it. Why doesn`t he go that way? That would be a cost savings over the assembly of all the inferior products.

And gee, his assemblage is not an integrated system with everything working together. I guess the bottom line question is, what is good enough for you? For me, if I am going to put in all the effort, I want the results, period. I have been burned too many times with products and claims that never really come true (aka snakeoil), which is why Adam`s is refreshing - it does what they say it does.

Adam what you said was pretty much what I was thinking. I read that thread and saw things like "cheapest" or "made in china" or "32oz vs 16oz so it must be twice as good". Folks don`t seem to often consider quality these days (probably a product of the economy) and like you said more importantly the 110% guarantee. I mean really..one doesn`t have to be too quick to realize..hey I can buy this try it and get my money back if i dont like it..+10% That`s a no lose situation no matter how you slice it.

I hope that guy enjoys scratching up his car with his costco high value "plush" towels LOL.

There will always be those people who focus on cheapest and not worry about quality. Those people will never have cars a shiny as ours.

There is alot more to a product then just price, for me customer service, quality, and American made are the three important factors.

No Chris thats my point, that guys article says you need 1-2 pads per detail!! What? I have used the same pads 3 times now and they look great!

Sadly a lot of info thats tossed around on the net anymore is that way. People with no first hand knowledge of the product basing their opinions off of something they read and some assumptions.

As I`ve said many many times before: The internet is full of information, but not very much knowledge.

That guy sounds like most the detailers I know..... most try to cut overhead cost by seeking out the cheapest options in products to increase the profits..... without considering the quality of products or the results generated.

to those detailers (my competition) that balk @ my cost compared to theirs I always laugh, pull out 100$ & say " I bet you $100 that if you get me to do any one of current your customer cars that will be the last time you service that accountant because I will have a new client!" so far no one is confident enough to take my bet. (most of my ligit competition can be found begging for clients @ the local chamber of commerce meetings & I just go for the food, never for solicitation & have been approached by two businesses to give estimates lol)

Adams give the best results period!

You get the idea. I`m a hack who buys products from China, like Meguairs, Collinite, Optimum, Lake Country, etc.

[gmblack3]

Thanks for the good laugh Luke!

[Leadfootluke]

Thanks for the good laugh Luke!

It`s not that funny :Boxing:

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[gmblack3]

It`s not that funny :Boxing:

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