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**imported_doug** · 01-15-2002, 10:32 PM

i don`t know what products they`re using from MG, but I seriously doubt they are specially formulated. Meguiar`s Gold Class and Body Shop Professional lines are their best. The Body Shop pro line is MOSTLY formulated for new finishes, and, more importantly, for use with rotary buffers. The "Medallion" brand is being phased out AFAIK, and the stuff in the magenta bottles, like their "Deep Crystal" stuff, is their cheapest. They also have a line for detailers - where the emphasis is on large quantities and speed of application.

**Steve @ Guru** · 01-15-2002, 10:38 PM

I was trying to refrain from posting, but I can`t resist... When we tested the Zymol products (and bear in mind, I used to use Titanium exclusively on my cars), we quickly saw that there were products that were much better and cost a lot less.

A few that come to mind are Collinite, Gold Class, Griots, P21S, and even some of the lower cost waxes like the Turtle Wax offerings (as far as waxes go). Durability wise, the Zymols were horrible - they were the only test swatches that got scratched from twigs & critters crawling on the panels.

They were also pretty hard to apply & remove (ever wax an entire car with your bare hands? The novelty quickly wears off), and they all dried pasty white (when instructions required them to dry completely). I also have to believe that despite their claims, there are oils in the wax - otherwise, how would it deepen-up the look of the paint?

That said, we`re looking forward to testing the really "high end" products - Atlantique, Destiny and Vintage. I`m not sure how they`ll do, but it will be interesting. HD-Cleanse is a great pre-cleaner, especially if you`re looking for something a little more agressive than say the Pinnacle or P21S cleansing lotion.

Zymol has it`s merits, but I believe guys like Ralph Lauren & Franay get more out of the "shock" associated with an $1100 wax than they do from the actual product. Heck, look at John Travolta`s requirements for his next movie, "Basic" - he requires 8 new Armani (or Versace, can`t remember) plain black T-shirts PER DAY, at a cost of $350.00 each. He refuses to wear Fruit of the Loom or Hanes, and he doesn`t believe in dry cleaning (something to do with Scientology).

So, I`m happy wearing a $1.50 T-shirt and using a $20 wax - works well for me, and no one will know the difference unless I tell `em.

**carljr1989** · 01-15-2002, 10:57 PM

Unlike others here, I actually own these products and ...

I have tried Zaino , Klasse, Souveran & Zymol and I can say for a fact that Zaino only provides a shiny plastic look with poor depth.

Klasse is similar however if you top it with any Zymol Estate Glaze you end up with a Concours quality 3D gloss finish that no synthetic can match by itself.

Zymol Estate Glazes are as good as carnauba gets, they don`t turn yellow and you can layer all you want, they don`t stain the trim or turn into white dust like Blitz.

Having a shiny car is only half of the equation, Depth is the other side of the coin and only by using the best of both worlds will you be able to attain that AWESOME Show Car Look.

If you want the ultimate killer look use Blackfire with Zymol as a topper and WOW.

Why would anyone spend $1000 when you can have all 3 hi-end glazes for $160 if you buy the kit?

Imagine all the money you will save by not using applicators!!!!

**TCM** · 01-16-2002, 12:39 AM

Intermezzo330I:

Yes, the Zymol Clear is a great car wash. I beleive that it does replenish the wax to a degree as all of my family`s cars hold wax for a long time (I am in Mass and most of them are parked in the garage). It is not sudsy (sp), but it cleans. It almost is like putting water over the car, sponge or mitt glides across the car surface not on it. You use very little per wash. Off the top of my head I would say the 8oz bottle lasts about 25 plus car washes. While Zymol is not a professional detailers choice of product, it works very well for the small hobby/detailer that I am. Try some out, I think you will be pleased with it. Good luck.

**Scottwax** · 01-16-2002, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by Michael H [/i]
More likely to be the professional range of products, not the consumer range. But that may be changing as they introduce their Gold Class range. [/b]</blockquote>
More than likely, they are using Meguiars Body Shop Professional product line. Dual Action Cleaner/Polish is the best all around paint cleaner I have used. It starts off semi-aggressively but quickly breaks down so it doesn`t scour the paint. It also has a lot of oils in it to give added shine. Hand Polish is much better than their Mirror Glaze Show Car Glaze-easier to remove too. Regardless of the hype over Gold Class, I think #26 is a better wax (definately lasts longer) and I think it has a richer shine. It also dries clear and doesn`t dust up on low humidity days like Gold Glass.

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Getting back to Zymol:

I tried the cleaner wax, and while the shine was excellent, it was a pain in the butt to apply-left dark streaks everywhere, so I had to go back over my entire car with a QD to get rid of them, and it dried blue and left residue in between body panels in emblems. Durablity as others have pointed out was not good. Maybe their high end stuff is better, but the cost is too high for me to even bother.

I guess if you don`t mind waxing a lot, it probably would be pretty good though.

**gmblack3** · 01-16-2002, 01:56 AM

http://www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html

**db2** · 01-16-2002, 02:50 AM

Somebody call Meguiars and find out? I agree those paint jobs are all one of a kinds im sure those contestants could use any decent product and get good results.

**Footy** · 01-16-2002, 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by Chuckmotor [/i]
It seems like Zymol would be something talked about at Autopia, considering 8 oz of some of their waxes go for hundreds of dollars. I did a search on Zymol, and most people seem to talk about it negatively. Why is that? How is their $110 glass of Estate wax not up to Autopian standards? Surely someone here has tried the basic Carbon or Creme wax for around $40.[/b]</blockquote>The fact that a wax costs several hundred (or thousand) dollars does not necessary mean that it is good. I cannot comment on the Zymol waxes as I have not used them. I am pretty satisfied with my $15 Blitz wax though.

**Bob Post** · 01-16-2002, 06:48 AM

It`s definetely a "niche" product. It will give you a good shine, but for an insanely short period of time, and only on "pristine" paint finishes. Zymol is not worth any price to me, and anybody who uses it (especially the expensive stuff) and tries to justify that 1K price must have money to burn, Zymol is like a REALLY bad stock investment. The "Kmart" line does not help them at all either.

**DETAILKING** · 01-16-2002, 09:38 AM

It`s mostly in the paint job. A quality paint job looks killer, with no wax products on top. Look at this panel that was freshly painted......it`s still in the box! looks awesome.

**G Money** · 01-16-2002, 10:09 AM

Hi,

I`m new to the board and was sent here by Guitarman. We both have Ford SuperCoupes we`re trying our best to take care of.

Very nice forum, and I`ve learned a lot already by reading the posts the last few weeks.

I`ve also tried Zymol Cleaner Wax and have found it to be a nice product and fairly simple to use. The smell is awesome! LOL.

I do like it best on my daily driver truck, though, and have had better results with the Meguiar`s #7 and #26 on the car.

Perhaps one reason the Zymol Estate Wax is SO expensive is that is comes with a lifetime refill. Yes/no?

The last time I was on their website, this was so. Project those costs out over 20 years or more and that $1,000 price tag isn`t as bad.

Phil

[edit] Just checked. Lifetime refill for the Vintage Glaze.

$1402.50 Yikes!

**imported_Intermezzo** · 01-16-2002, 01:26 PM

<blockquote class=`ipsBlockquote` >

Originally posted by T.C. [/i]
Intermezzo330I:

Yes, the Zymol Clear is a great car wash. I beleive that it does replenish the wax to a degree as all of my family`s cars hold wax for a long time (I am in Mass and most of them are parked in the garage). It is not sudsy (sp), but it cleans. It almost is like putting water over the car, sponge or mitt glides across the car surface not on it. You use very little per wash. Off the top of my head I would say the 8oz bottle lasts about 25 plus car washes. While Zymol is not a professional detailers choice of product, it works very well for the small hobby/detailer that I am. Try some out, I think you will be pleased with it. Good luck. [/b]</blockquote>
I intend to eventually. For now, I can`t. I`m way too overstocked on many items...including various carnauba waxes. I must admit though that the price tag alone on Zymol is making me want to try it out even more. Perhaps I`ll try out their HD Cleanse, Zym Clear, and one of their waxes sometime.

Thanks for the info T.C.

**Michael H** · 01-16-2002, 04:16 PM

Geekysteve

You need to think laterally. What does John T do with all the old $350 T-shirts? At 8 a day that is enough for us all to have the highest priced T-shirts for detialing!

**imported_Dude** · 01-16-2002, 08:59 PM

LOL

**Footy** · 01-17-2002, 04:59 AM

<blockquote class=`ipsBlockquote` >

Originally posted by Michael H [/i]
Geekysteve

You need to think laterally. What does John T do with all the old $350 T-shirts? At 8 a day that is enough for us all to have the highest priced T-shirts for detialing! [/b]</blockquote>
That sounds like a good credo for detailers: Think laterally, detail longitudinally

BTW, Michael - hope you`ve not been affected by the fires. My brother lives in the Snowy Mountains and they are starting to see smoke over there