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    Re: Arizona Registration

    In AZ there are monthly Cars & Coffee meets where any big dollar car is sporting a Montana plate. You can google up Montana license plate LLC and get info on how a lawyer there will fix you up with a LLC and register your car real cheap. But.... you risk a problem with your insurance company voiding your policy when they find out your doing this when you get in an accident.
    Montana plate Scam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebDF-C7GJec

    AZ charges $2.80 license tax on every $100 of car value (a cars MSRP base price is reduced 15% per year) Figuring $2,800 per $100,000 A $2,500,000 Pangani (yes there is one here) would cost you $70,000 first year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John U View Post
    AZ charges $2.80 license tax on every $100 of car value (a cars MSRP base price is reduced 15% per year) Figuring $2,800 per $100,000 A $2,500,000 Pangani (yes there is one here) would cost you $70,000 first year.
    So do you figure the state legislators just figured that if you could afford a $2.5 million car you could afford the $70,000? Or do you figure they just never envisioned someone having a $2.5 million car so they neglected to put a cap on the tax?

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    A commentator on the local news brought up an interesting comment. He said the new fee is tied to the yearly budget. Now we know what happens every year to budgets. So this year it is $32, next year maybe $38, next $45and so on. I do not know of any cap on this fee.

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    Just stealing a little more of your freedom every day, slow and steady wins the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy View Post
    So do you figure the state legislators just figured that if you could afford a $2.5 million car you could afford the $70,000? Or do you figure they just never envisioned someone having a $2.5 million car so they neglected to put a cap on the tax?
    A friend sums it up this way..... If you cannot afford the tax to drive it.... you can`t afford to own it.

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    John U -

    How does AZ determine the value of the car? I`m likely moving there in the next 2-3 years max, and want to start saving money awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordonjuan View Post
    John U -

    How does AZ determine the value of the car? I`m likely moving there in the next 2-3 years max, and want to start saving money awhile.

    Gordon
    Arizona Vehicle License Tax

    The state also charges a vehicle license tax (VLT) at every registration and renewal. This tax is assessed for each $100 of your vehicle`s value. Note that the value of your vehicle is calculated as 60% of the original manufacturer`s retail price, and that total will be lowered by 16.25% at every registration renewal.

    For each $100 of the vehicle`s value, you will be assessed:

    New vehicles: $2.80.
    Used vehicles: $2.89.
    Alternative Fuel Vehicle: $4.


    Cars over 4 model years old need a yearly smog check.

    One nice thing is that you pay no sales tax when buying a used car from a private party.

    https://www.dmv.org/az-arizona/car-registration.php

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    Wait a minute--you mean you pay that $70K every year?? Lowered by the 16.25% of course, but that`s still crazy, I thought that was a one-time charge. Here in NJ our registration fees are based on the weight class of the vehicle, but we do have to pay sales tax on new and used vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy View Post
    Wait a minute--you mean you pay that $70K every year?? Lowered by the 16.25% of course, but that`s still crazy, I thought that was a one-time charge. Here in NJ our registration fees are based on the weight class of the vehicle, but we do have to pay sales tax on new and used vehicles.
    Yup, every year - 16.25%. And that`s on top of your initial sales tax if purchased new......
    In Arizona, the sales tax for cars is 5.6%, but some counties charge an additional 0.7%. Some cities can charge up to 2.5% on top of that.

    On a $100,000 new car figure an extra $10,000 if you`re in a "max tax" city.

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    This is too much math for me.

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    Having lived in many different states now, four in just the past five years alone. Let me say this about taxes. With the exception of just a few states ( which are noticeably much higher) overall the taxes you pay are not much different from state to state. The difference is in what they choose to tax. Move to a state with no income tax (whoohoo). Not really, you then pay much higher property tax, sales tax, sales tax on food. Move to another state and think oh I`m going to be spending less on tax. Come to find out now personal property tax is crazy there, plus every county and city can charge sales tax too. When you move you`re changing one high tax for another one. Let`s face it, the real reality is if they didn`t use tax dollars so frivolously it wouldn`t feel as horrible. This misuse of taxation has been taking place since biblical times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John U View Post
    Yup, every year - 16.25%. And that`s on top of your initial sales tax if purchased new......
    In Arizona, the sales tax for cars is 5.6%, but some counties charge an additional 0.7%. Some cities can charge up to 2.5% on top of that.

    On a $100,000 new car figure an extra $10,000 if you`re in a "max tax" city.
    Wow that sucks. It used to be similar here in GA, but never that high. The 7% they hit you here when you purchase a new or used vehicle is fair (I guess) except taxing a vehicle every time it is sold is not right or fair. There needs to be some kind of relief from taxing the same piece of property over and over. Once the tax is paid at new purchase that should be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlmccarty2000 View Post
    Wow that sucks. It used to be similar here in GA, but never that high. The 7% they hit you here when you purchase a new or used vehicle is fair (I guess) except taxing a vehicle every time it is sold is not right or fair. There needs to be some kind of relief from taxing the same piece of property over and over. Once the tax is paid at new purchase that should be it.
    AZ does not tax private party sales. Buy a new or used car from a dealer you pay sales tax.

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    Re: Arizona Registration

    This is how they did it, sound familiar, no tax increase because we are calling it a fee.

    Arizona Lawmakers Push Back On $32 Vehicle Registration Fee


    By Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services


    Published: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 5:28pm








    Calling its enactment "sneaky,`` a veteran Arizona lawmaker wants to repeal a new $32-a-vehicle fee on every car, truck, motorcycle and trailer that is being used to balance the state budget.
    Rep. Michelle Ugenti-Rita, R-Scottsdale, said it`s bad enough that her colleagues used an end-run around the Arizona Constitution to avoid having to get a two-thirds vote for the fee, designed to fund the state Highway Patrol.
    But Ugenti-Rita said what added insult to injury is that lawmakers were told the fee would be in the $18-a-vehicle range, not 75 percent higher.
    Any effort to repeal the fee — and the $185 million it raises from Arizona motorists — could get a fight from Gov. Doug Ducey who built his $10.4 billion budget on it while insisting it did not violate his promise never to increase taxes. Spokesman Patrick Ptak said the dollars are needed to free up cash for road construction and repair, "especially in rural areas of the state where resources are badly needed."
    "Any reforms to that fee should be responsible and keep these priorities in mind," Ptak said.
    It`s not just Ducey who is concerned. Rep. Noel Campbell, R-Prescott, the architect of the fee, said there is a need for the additional dollars for road construction and maintenance.
    But Campbell, like Ugenti-Rita, is irked that the fee is so much higher than he was told when he proposed it — and so much higher than he told his colleagues to get their votes.
    Part of that is because the $32 fee is levied when a vehicle is registered. So anyone who has a multi-year registration — up to five years — is exempt until then.
    And then the Highway Patrol budget ended up being larger than lawmakers were told.
    Campbell wants to revamp the fee to make it fairer and lower it back to the original $18 promise.
    But Ugenti-Rita said that misses the point that the fee was adopted through trickery to avoid having to get a two-thirds vote of the House and Senate. And Ugenti-Rita said if the money is really needed — and the levy is popular enough — it can be done in a way she says is legal, with the necessary two-thirds vote.
    And if it can`t get the margin?
    "Is that a justification to be tricky and circumvent the will of the people?`` she responded.
    That will of the people is a 1992 voter-approved constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds vote for any new or increased tax or fee.
    Unable to marshal that support, lawmakers instead empowered ADOT director John Halikowski to compute the fee based on raising enough money to fund the Highway Patrol, with an extra 10 percent built in. And since it was Halikowski imposing the fee, the legislation to authorize him to do that required a simple majority vote.
    Ugenti-Rita conceded that, strictly speaking, the maneuver is legal. The Arizona Supreme Court just last year upheld the legality of a similar mechanism to impose a fee on hospitals to pay for expansion of the state`s health care program for the poor.
    That reasoning, however, left her unimpressed.
    "If the government`s justification is `Just because I can, I will,` that`s a bad one,`` she said.
    "I don`t think the public appreciates that,`` Ugenti-Rita said. "Just because you found a sneaky way around it is not a good enough justification.``
    The reason for the Highway Patrol fee is even more complicated.
    Another constitutional provision says that any dollars raised from the use of Arizona roads, mainly gasoline taxes and vehicle registration fees, can be spent solely for those roads. But in prior efforts to balance the budget, lawmakers and governors have siphoned off those dollars to pay for at least part of the Highway Patrol based on the argument that the agency promotes highway safety.
    What that did, however, is left fewer dollars for needed road construction and repair.
    The road repair financial problem is complicated by the fact that the state`s 18-cent-a-gallon gasoline tax has not been raised since 1991. And while there are more vehicles on the road, they are more fuel efficient, meaning motorists are buying fewer gallons of gas for every mile they travel.
    Campbell figured that a separate fee to pay for Highway Patrol would free up those gasoline taxes for what he said is the intended purpose.
    The fee was approved by a 35-24 margin in the House and 17-13 in the Senate, margins enough to authorize Halikowski to compute and impose a fee, but not enough for lawmakers to set the fee themselves.
    Even at the time foes decried the plan.
    Sen. Warren Petersen, R-Gilbert, called it "the worst kind of tax increase`` because it was being done without any idea of the price tag on motorists.
    "We`re going to tell an unelected bureau craft to go ahead and raise these fees to whatever he wants to,`` he complained.
    Ptak also insisted that the forcing motorists to pay an additional $32 for each vehicle does not violate Ducey`s pledge not to hike taxes, saying that it technically is a "fee.`` But he declined to say whether the governor believes the levy — whatever it is called — is fair or whether Ducey would veto any outright repeal if it reaches his desk.

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    Is that Governor originally from Illinois? Or Washington,D.C?

    Another POS that doesn`t pay the tax he enacts. Oh,sorry-it`s a "fee",not a tax.

 

 
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