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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdawg736GTC
    First off I must give you some props for "blading" a car the way you do, it`s definately a niche that I don`t think I can really dive into.



    That being said, I`m pretty positive to state that the reason you catch all kinds of flak here and on other forums is due to the way you carry yourself in regards to how you word your posts. My guess is that a lot of people don`t think highly of you is due to your aggressive all is below me because I use a blade mentality. Ok we all get that you put a razor blade on a car as opposed to using other methods to removing over spray and other contaminates. It is very unprofessional for a "professional" to bash others here and elsewhere because they don`t have the frame of mind or the experience you do with using a razor blade. Still wondering why there`s all this hate towards you?? Well there`s your sign!

    You also boast about all your videos all over the internet, yet when someone questions your method to the madness, you usually come back with a hostile and inappropriate remark, I believe I saw one video to where a comment was not in your favor to which you replied something to the affect of disrespecting the commenter`s sister and mother.....here`s one ( Paint Overspray Removal International Services " Bmw German engineering at its best" - YouTube )........really? Is that how the greatest over spray removal specialist reacts to criticism? Very unprofessional in my eyes and if that was me, the BBB would`ve been getting a nice e-mail.

    So again you`re good at blading.......GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!!!!



    Now since you`re coming on DETAILING forums that are not exclusively FOCUSED on OVERSPRAY REMOVAL, you`re gonna catch loads of flak with what you do AFTER the blading. Do you really expect any of us to bow down to you when you use a 5 pound ball of clay, whip a rotary around, throw some wax that gets removed immediately after applying it and calling it a day? None of your videos show the results in direct sunlight, you may claim it`s in direct sunlight but we do not see the sun DIRECTLY on the pain that would reveal any imperfections/defects that were installed by you or remained after using your polishes/wax. What would your vehicles look like after an IPA wipe down or Dawn wash, after all polishes, fillers, and waxes are taken off the paint? Would it be free of imperfections? You see here at Autopia as well as plenty of other sites out there, we strive for ABSOLUTE PERFECTION.....way beyond what is obtained thru decon and over spray removal. We check our work as we work and we double check, triple check, quadr......you get it right? There are plenty of other alternatives out there then your do all cure all method with a blade and rotary. To say we`re all stupid and wrong and don`t know what were doing because we don`t do our techniques the way you do is wrong......especially if your methods are from the PAST! I`m all for old school detailing but my eyes are definately open to the present and future way of doing things....as well as everyone else here!



    Sorry friend but you come here and bully everyone because they don`t do it the way you do is gonna get met by those who see thru the bird poop you lay. There`s plenty of folks here that do flawless work, take a look and digest the methods and results of such folks here like Garry Dean, Bryan Burnworth, Barry Theal, Dave Fermani, C. Charles Hahn, Rasky, Joe (Superior Shine).......amongst MANY others here and elsewhere! Ever read into articles by TOGWT and advice from Ron Ketcham who have been at this game longer then most of us have been alive? They take this art to an abdolute science to better explain just why we do the things we do??



    Please don`t take any offense to this, just think of it as constructive criticism, it`s one guys insight on another`s shortcoming. Like I said, you definately made a name for yourself with your method to the madness that we all love (detailing). It`s just a lo down shame the way you go about things.



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    I am sorry but am not impressed with the detailers you just mentioned. But one thing I have never done was comment on their work before they commented on my Youtube site. The comments that some of the members have made on my site was not constructive criticism. I let this go on for over 2 years before I made any comments. Just because none of you can figure out how something is done, is no reason to dismiss it as bad. I have over 24 years of experience in overspray removal. Long before this forum was around or the clay-bar. I never hide anything of my cleaning methods from customers, this is why you see them in my videos observing me blade their vehicles. Why is it that the people you mention like Ron Ketcham and others that have been in this business for so long have never came up with another way other than wet-sanding or the use of compounds to remove overspray or deep tree branch scratches. When am dealing with customer that has an estimate for thousands to repaint their vehicle, believe me when i am done everyone checks my work out. The first thing they always do is take their vehicle back to the paint body-shop for them to look it over. I have never made a video with the mind set that one of you was going to look at it and have a problem with me bragging or cursing in it. I don`t engineer them for lots of hits, this is why they are not name "how to remove". I have lots of videos of me repairing textured moldings and custom Chevy door trim packages. This is something that none of you or your instructors have ever done. Not to be a smart ***, but you all should have some respect for that. Show me something that has not been done over and over by everyone in the business for a change. This is why am so embedded on the net. Go to my Youtube and check out some of the links there. "auto restoration" "Worldnews" "MainHeadline news" "CoatingsPro Magazine" "Sherwin Williams web ad" "Car Restoration TV" "Russian Web ad" "India website" and more. I Have never seen anyone on this site or elsewhere that has other countries or web ads that featuring their work. Just like not agreeing with Obama makes you a racist, telling you all this means am bragging. "Its not bragging if your telling the truth"

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    Jeff, how come you can`t show us some full sun shots of a car you`ve fixed, after a solvent wipe down, of course. Black would be perfect.

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    By the way for everyone that thinks wet-sanding will not void the factory warranty, call any dealership and ask them for yourself. This greatly diminishes the clear-coat, think about it your wet-sanding the top layer of the clear-coat. You then have to use a compound to buff it out. I would like to see someone take a vehicle under direct sun light as I do in lots of my videos, a few weeks later after the vehicle has been washed. My way may not be for everyone, but every major dealership says different. I just repaired 300 vehicles, this is over 9 million in inventory. I have not received one phone call from the owners, other then to go back and do some more when Dow chemical is finished painting at their plant again. I have a video on my Youtube site that demonstrates my blading technique while two services technicians are observing me. The video has no cutaways in the filming to prove that there is no damage occurring doing my cleaning process. I think it is the tenth video down on my profile. This is all the prove anyone would will ever need, by everyone other then some of the members on this forum. Check out one of the videos where am restoring textured cowl panels, this is located where you wiper blades are. I also polish those parts to a mirror finish. Why has no one ever done this on this forum ? The wiper blades and other trim and moldings pieces are part of the vehicle too. Your not detailing a vehicle 100% if your not polishing every piece of the vehicle as demonstrated in my videos.

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    I agree with the part about Ron Ketchum being old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Suggs
    "Its not bragging if your telling the truth"


    An indisputable, or universally accepted fact, is truth. An opinion is not.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Suggs
    Why is it that the people you mention like Ron Ketcham and others that have been in this business for so long have never came up with another way other than wet-sanding or the use of compounds to remove overspray or deep tree branch scratches.


    Who is to say other methods haven`t been tried? Sometimes experimentation might uncover new methods, but when analyzed prove to carry with it too many risks to be viable or advisable. Nobody is questioning that your method is effective. Just because a scratch can be removed by sandpaper doesn`t mean it is always advisable. You can play Russian Roulette and be successful >83.3% of the time, but the risk of having that other 16.7% happen makes the game not worth playing.



    And since you mention removal of deep scratches, I am curious what new method (or old method that nobody else seems capable of) you use.





    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Suggs
    By the way for everyone that thinks wet-sanding will not void the factory warranty, call any dealership and ask them for yourself. This greatly diminishes the clear-coat, think about it your wet-sanding the top layer of the clear-coat.


    Wet sanding does not void the warranty. Removing too much while wet sanding does. It is possible to wet sand and stay within the parameters of the warranty.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Suggs
    Check out one of the videos where am restoring textured cowl panels, this is located where you wiper blades are. I also polish those parts to a mirror finish. Why has no one ever done this on this forum ? The wiper blades and other trim and moldings pieces are part of the vehicle too. Your not detailing a vehicle 100% if your not polishing every piece of the vehicle as demonstrated in my videos.


    Textured cowels and wiper blade arms are usually NOT supposed to be polished to a high gloss, mirror shine. Perhaps that is why detailers here don`t do it.



    If you have a skill that is truly unique then that`s great. Most of us here openly share our knowledge in an effort to help each other achieve the best results. Not once in anyone else`s posts have I read about how they can do something nobody else can. If a new great product or technique is discovered it is shared and the industry as a whole progresses. When you stand alone in questioning the skill, knowledge or integrity of someone like Ron Ketcham while he is widely respected by so many in the community you look foolish. You have been told over and over again what we would like to see so that we can properly inspect the results. Your resistance to provide such evidence seems to be evidence in and of itself. At this point I think the only way you gain the respect from the detailing community is to have a respected detailer present to observe and inspect and then report back to us their first hand observations. Until then you can continue to call yourself "THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Suggs
    Check out one of the videos where am restoring textured cowl panels, this is located where you wiper blades are. I also polish those parts to a mirror finish. Why has no one ever done this on this forum ? The wiper blades and other trim and moldings pieces are part of the vehicle too. Your not detailing a vehicle 100% if your not polishing every piece of the vehicle as demonstrated in my videos.


    Because, Jeff, there are UV inhibitors in those trim parts which by "polishing them to a mirror finish" you are compromising. Unless you are applying a product that is proven to restore long-term UV protection after you are done modifying those components of the vehicle (no, you are not returning them to factory-spec condition) you have caused a condition which may actually accelerate their deterioration.



    Detailing a vehicle 100% in the sense of your specialty means returning the vehicle to pre-damage condition unless the customer specifically wants you to perform modifications (and in that case you should be disclosing to them the risks of polishing trim components and not properly applying a UV protection product, assuming you`re not doing so).



    Thus far, you have proven yourself incapable of projecting an attitude that is not rude, condescending, and preachy. You`re not going to win favor with anyone by acting that way.
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    Jeff, did you get the PM I sent you a couple weeks ago? Asking if you were ever in my area (since you travel all over doing what we can`t) would you be willing to show me your processes in person? I think we should all offer this invitation to Jeff, to show us his stuff in person, since he must be in at least one of our areas at some point as he travels all over doing this. That way we can end all this squabbling and prove/disprove once and for all if what he`s preaching here is actually true. Let one of us watch what you do in person and also do an IPA wipedown, get some good sun shots of the results that we can post up here so all can see your work with the proper camera angles and lighting? Now before you go attacking this post Jeff, just notice I am not saying what you do is wrong or right, I am giving you the opportunity to prove it is what you say, without the internet between us. If you won`t do this, then we all know why. What do you say?
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    I`m just curious how much research was done on anyone`s work not being featured in any magazines?

    Especially US and Europe.



    I know of this technique but it is getting overshadowed with personal hype. No offense. It just takes away from those curious of the process.



    I know of a well known VW Donut Bus that was bladed and featured in a European magazine to name one.



    Edit: I took other countries and web ads in the same context as written media.
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    I actually wish we were having a meaningful discussion on overspray removal, other than the arguing.



    Maybe after this thread we can start something informative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IHA Mark
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    I actually wish we were having a meaningful discussion on overspray removal, other than the arguing.



    Maybe after this thread we can start something informative?






    Before the advent of detailer’s clay it was a common practice to remove paint-overspray with a one-sided razor blade and a surface lubricant or by polishing the surface with a compound / polish and a wool pad. Surface contaminates were removed with a polish or by wet-sanding, but these are methods are very invasive and will remove clear coat.



    Detailer`s clay is now routinely used by OEM`s, professional detailer`s, vehicle auctions and body shops as a simple, safe way to remove paint over-spray, tree sap and industrial fallout from both vehicle paint and chrome and glass surfaces.



    The malleable clay bar is rapidly being superseded by the Surface Prep Towel





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    It`s been said that if you put 10 carpet cleaners in a room with a dirty carpet, you`d have 10 methods for cleaning it. I think that applies to removing over-spray as well. I guess if someone or group wanted to do a Consumer Reports type of testing, then we might get some data - but, it would have to be an independant third party setting up the tests. Otherwise, can we all just agree that there is more than one way to resolve this issue and let it go?
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    Sort of felt bad for the guy with everyone beating him up until I read his responses on his YouTube videos talking about peoples mothers and sisters. Now, I`m completely OK with the beating up part.

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    JuneBug that is one of the best replies to all the stupid remarks by myself and others. I have nothing to prove to anyone. You guys need to stop trying to think of negative comments about me or my work and come up with something new for a change. I will never put a solvent on any paint job for any reason. I have videos of repairs done, then the vehicles are taken outside under direct sunlight. I then film them in HD a inch away from the paint. You can see the metal flake in the paint. There are 241 videos and you all have only looked at a few. Like i said before it was not me, but one of your members "raskyI" or whatever that took one of my videos and linked it here and everyone started commenting on things they really have no clue about. This is not the only forum, meguiarsOnline, and detailingbliss members made comments also. I waited for two years, and the people that run these forums let it go on. This is what detailingbliss members had to say, word for word DetailingBliss Allows Members To Slander Jeff Suggs For Over 2 Years ! | Polyurethane Spray Foam Insulation Overspray

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    The only reason these forums have let this go on is for free search optimization. When we have these stupid post on these sites they end up on Google search results. this is a great way for these forums to get new members at my expense. I will link the google search results for "paint overspray removal companies". I have seen some of the work that you all call great from "Gary Dean" and others that was not even close to what is done in my videos. Check out the black Mercedes SUV that he did and mentioned to everyone in the video not to use a razor blade on paint. he was right about that. But the work sucked and everyone told him how great the job was. The vehicle`s clear-coat was damaged. He did not show any cleaning of the vehicle in his video. Just a lot of talk and damage done, that is it. Anyway this forum and others need to stop riding on my back for search results. I need everyone including the the people that run these forums to stop commenting and about me and I will cancel my membership today. Also to end the post for last two years. Someone tell me why they have not done this yet. This would a much better forum if i was not involved. I would have never been involved if you guys would stop commenting on things you can`t figure out. i work all day and then work out at night at the GYM, and its late when i reply on these forums. by then am very tired and miss spell things and get pissed off for no real reason. Lets end this guys.https://www.google.com/search?q=paint+overspray+removal+companies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

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