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    There is a lot of quality posting going on here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MachNU
    With circular logic, it still boils down to perception of people. The people with the bigger names will always get more traffic, which in turns elevates their name more. When this happens it takes traffic from the little guys threads, who like you said, may have hit a home run. Then eventually it falls off the page, going unnoticed. It will never change.


    Although this is true to some degree, take Bob Willis` (AutoConcierge) most recent post about the Porsche Cayenne Turbo. Always produces stellar work, takes great pics, has a HUGE name, client base and following. The post is of a 500hp, very exclusive SUV, yet at this point it has over 200 views and only 6 replies, one of which is his. I think this points to what David says about C&B`s losing some of their effectiveness, regardless of whether its a big fish, smaller guy or enthusiast posting his own cars.



    Quote Originally Posted by Nth Degree

    As for responding to the comments; I have been guilty of that at times. In part because I did not post them for the accolades or approval. I think many times it has been because many of us are on multiple sites, so I don`t feel the need to respond to each one on multiple sites. I also feel a certain camaraderie with many of the regular posters and I feel reciprocating comments on their posts implies the appreciation. And I agree that sometimes "Thanks" is really the only appropriate response to the all-too-common "Nice work" comment. (Sometimes driven by posting contests.) But point taken. I will be more conscientious about that.


    I agree 100% with Chris. While there are some obvious "cliques" in the detailing community, that is bound to happen when there are so many forums and you see the same names and faces in multiple spots. While the bigger, more established or more "seasoned" detailing forum vets obviously have had more time interacting with each other, I can appreciate the fact that they "know" each other a little better, probably IRL as well, and therefore will likely always post on each other`s threads. Likewise, there are some smaller guys that I feel a sort of kinship with, for whatever reason. Being a relative newcomer to forums, and detailing in general, I see some other "new school" detailers that I recognize from other forums, or that are just starting to show their work outside of general posts, and I try to comment on their posts when I can. All of this goes toward that sense of community, which is why many are here in the first place.





    Anyway, sorry for the ramble. It`s early, I still haven`t had coffee, and I`m scatterbrained to begin with. Please don`t hold any of this against me.

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    hrmm...

    I`m only on this site(no other detailing sites) and I can tell you that this post kind of offends me as a `Newbie` to the forums. When I first came on here I can tell you I read, read and read more posts on what as done and how it was done by both professionals and us amateurs. Back then I thought to myself, maybe I can post in the `weekend warriors` section because I had/have no desire to compete with some of you professionals and I simply don`t have the $ to invest like some of you have. I take what you has been done and see what was used and slowly purchase what I saw was an incredible results. The combining (click and brag) has made me a bit weary to even post what I have done. I kind of thought that this was what Autopia was all about. Sharing the knowledge but your post kind of makes it sound like this is an exclusive club?



    This post basically says to me I could be parting of the flooding or dissolution of the proper content?



    As for Garry Dean being the and breaking the chain of mediocrity? I don`t really like the videos but I think the results are incredible. I like the simple before/after pictures of the major surface problems.



    I wish we could get rid of the `Click & Brag` section and put them back to the pro/amateur sections.

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    Here`s my $.02 coming from someone who is not a pro, but just trying to keep my own cars clean: When I first joined a few years ago, I thought the C&B section was great. There were some crappy posts, but many were threads from trusted veterans that, as previously mentioned, took the time to detail their process. I remember they would mention things like how the car didn`t respond to a certain product, so they tried a different combination which worked great. Nowadays, it seems there are too many threads where someone just throws up a bunch of pictures, and barely mentions anything. The only ones I typically look at are the ones I know are by people that do good C&B threads, or if it`s a car that I really want to see. Sure, I know the pros are busy and don`t have the time, but it`s not about quantity, but quality. I`d rather read a great thread from you once a month, rather than some crappy one every other day. One thing I really remember reading more, was when a person had a special situation that they came across, and described what they did to fix it. Those are the threads where people can learn from.



    Some threads really are pointless. I`ve seen a lot of them lately where the subject says "new BMW coated with Opticoat". Who cares? It`s a new car that needed little/no correction and you put some sealant on it. We all know that pictures don`t do justice to the real thing, so that car doesn`t really look any different in the pictures after the Opticoat, than it did before.



    Another beef I have is too many/too few pictures. It seems the majority fall into this category. Someone starts out with "I didn`t have time to take before shots." OK, the car looks shiny, but I don`t know what it looked like before, so it kind of takes the luster out of the whole point of the thread. Or someone does a thread with literally 100 pictures of every part of the car. I don`t want to see a picture of every stinking door handle. Show me a few overall shots, and a few key areas that needed extra attention.



    But the one that really irritates me the most? Crappy pictures. I swear, half the threads now are taken with cell phones and have bad color and clarity. I can barely tell what color the car is, let alone see the swirls it had, or see how wet the color looks after it`s done. I know very few people are going to also be professional photographers here, but take some pride in your photos and buy a reasonable camera instead of a crappy cell phone.



    IMO, C&B should always have what you used, as well as what you may have tried that didn`t work. Don`t post a C&B every day, or even every week. Keep it to ones where you did something different, learned something different, etc. Obviously newbies are going to be excited to post their first real detail (I know I did), but after that, keep it to quality, not quantity. Post up a couple pictures of the car before it`s washed, and after. I see a lot of threads where people post how awful it looks before being washed, but then they don`t post any of post wash, so you can really see how the paint looked. Then don`t go overboard on the process pictures. Post a couple 50/50 shots for the dramatic affect, but that`s it unless you`ve got some special areas you want to highlight like if you did something special, or had a trouble spot to go through. Then finish up with the obligatory sunshine pictures. I hate the threads where the person didn`t take any because it was too late/dark. Well what`s the point of the thread if you don`t have after shots? Isn`t that the point of C&B? One other suggestion I really like, try to take the same post detail shots as you took prior to polishing. Especially if you are lucky enough to have similar lighting for both. Those are the pictures that really show the transformation. It`s a bit annoying when someone has pictures of the entire car out in the sun prior to detailing, but then after it`s done, they take indoor pictures, and don`t even show the entire car to see the difference.



    Take my thoughts with a grain of salt, but that`s how I feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanSweet
    hrmm...

    I`m only on this site(no other detailing sites) and I can tell you that this post kind of offends me as a `Newbie` to the forums. When I first came on here I can tell you I read, read and read more posts on what as done and how it was done by both professionals and us amateurs. Back then I thought to myself, maybe I can post in the `weekend warriors` section because I had/have no desire to compete with some of you professionals and I simply don`t have the $ to invest like some of you have. I take what you has been done and see what was used and slowly purchase what I saw was an incredible results. The combining (click and brag) has made me a bit weary to even post what I have done. I kind of thought that this was what Autopia was all about. Sharing the knowledge but your post kind of makes it sound like this is an exclusive club?



    This post basically says to me I could be parting of the flooding or dissolution of the proper content?



    As for Garry Dean being the and breaking the chain of mediocrity? I don`t really like the videos but I think the results are incredible. I like the simple before/after pictures of the major surface problems.



    I wish we could get rid of the `Click & Brag` section and put them back to the pro/amateur sections.


    My videos are definately NOT for everyone, but neither are stills and photochop.



    Through my videos I can give my peers and my potential clients a taste of what they can expect from not only the quality of work I provide, but also my personality and realistic mindset. Im the type of guy who would rather watch a video any day rather than scroll through 50-60 pictures that have probably been enhanced in some way anyways.



    I am not trying to slam photoshop users, but I just believe what the camera produces is what should be shown. Thats exactly why I like shooting videos. When I am done with a detail and sit down to compile my video clips there is no true editing that goes into it. I am literally cutting out the fluff and compiling what I consider to be the quality segments.



    I have had amazing success with my YouTube channel. There is no way I would ever stop. Far more people enjoy my videos than dislike them. Otherwise, whats the point of even doing them?
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    I posted 1 vehicle write up in 2011 because quite honestly, I am too busy to do a write up to the level that I would like to.



    It takes a serious amount of time (ask Marc Harris) to not only construct the write up but, to have the write up in mind as you complete the work. To create a proper write up you really have to keep the write up task in your head as you are detailing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deep Gloss Auto Salon
    I posted 1 vehicle write up in 2011 because quite honestly, I am too busy to do a write up to the level that I would like to.



    It takes a serious amount of time (ask Marc Harris) to not only construct the write up but, to have the write up in mind as you complete the work. To create a proper write up you really have to keep the write up task in your head as you are detailing.


    Yes they do take time, even the write ups I do now take too much of my time. I take less pictures and dont really have the time for 50/50s when on location. Joey and I corrected a 2010 barbon black M5 yesterday. I took some good before pictures of the defects, time we got done at 6p it was dark out. So whats the use of trying to take pictures in a clients smaller garage at night. I know the car would of looked baller in the sun, but oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmblack3
    Yes they do take time, even the write ups I do now take too much of my time. I take less pictures and dont really have the time for 50/50s when on location. Joey and I corrected a 2010 barbon black M5 yesterday. I took some good before pictures of the defects, time we got done at 6p it was dark out. So whats the use of trying to take pictures in a clients smaller garage at night. I know the car would of looked baller in the sun, but oh well.


    Bryan: What`s the matter with taking before pictures in the full sun and the afters in a garage??? :hurt: :fencing: :flame:
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    I think we need to listen to what DeanSweet said. Those of us that post regularly think similarly, but we tend to forget about the hundreds or potentially thousands of members and visitors who don`t bother to voice their opinions. Rather than ripping on the poor posts, perhaps a list of tips for write ups made into a sticky.



    For those who say they don`t have time to do write ups, consider the value to the owner of a car if you provide them a personal write up for their garage queen. For my clients who want full corrections I document each step and take tons of photos. Each client I have done this for has been blown away. Some I see regularly and they tell me how they show it to all their friends to show what the car looked like before, and sometimes reminds them of their own amazement upon seeing their car for the first time after the detail. My forum posts are often just a watered down version of those.

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    I`m always all for perpetual learning of technique and process. If a C&B thread can teach me a specific one and open my eyes to alternative methods of improving any aspect of a detail, I`m truly grateful to the detailer who takes the time to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm
    Here`s my $.02 coming from someone who is not a pro, but just trying to keep my own cars clean: When I first joined a few years ago, I thought the C&B section was great. There were some crappy posts, but many were threads from trusted veterans that, as previously mentioned, took the time to detail their process. I remember they would mention things like how the car didn`t respond to a certain product, so they tried a different combination which worked great. Nowadays, it seems there are too many threads where someone just throws up a bunch of pictures, and barely mentions anything. The only ones I typically look at are the ones I know are by people that do good C&B threads, or if it`s a car that I really want to see. Sure, I know the pros are busy and don`t have the time, but it`s not about quantity, but quality. I`d rather read a great thread from you once a month, rather than some crappy one every other day. One thing I really remember reading more, was when a person had a special situation that they came across, and described what they did to fix it. Those are the threads where people can learn from.



    Some threads really are pointless. I`ve seen a lot of them lately where the subject says "new BMW coated with Opticoat". Who cares? It`s a new car that needed little/no correction and you put some sealant on it. We all know that pictures don`t do justice to the real thing, so that car doesn`t really look any different in the pictures after the Opticoat, than it did before.



    Another beef I have is too many/too few pictures. It seems the majority fall into this category. Someone starts out with "I didn`t have time to take before shots." OK, the car looks shiny, but I don`t know what it looked like before, so it kind of takes the luster out of the whole point of the thread. Or someone does a thread with literally 100 pictures of every part of the car. I don`t want to see a picture of every stinking door handle. Show me a few overall shots, and a few key areas that needed extra attention.



    But the one that really irritates me the most? Crappy pictures. I swear, half the threads now are taken with cell phones and have bad color and clarity. I can barely tell what color the car is, let alone see the swirls it had, or see how wet the color looks after it`s done. I know very few people are going to also be professional photographers here, but take some pride in your photos and buy a reasonable camera instead of a crappy cell phone.



    IMO, C&B should always have what you used, as well as what you may have tried that didn`t work. Don`t post a C&B every day, or even every week. Keep it to ones where you did something different, learned something different, etc. Obviously newbies are going to be excited to post their first real detail (I know I did), but after that, keep it to quality, not quantity. Post up a couple pictures of the car before it`s washed, and after. I see a lot of threads where people post how awful it looks before being washed, but then they don`t post any of post wash, so you can really see how the paint looked. Then don`t go overboard on the process pictures. Post a couple 50/50 shots for the dramatic affect, but that`s it unless you`ve got some special areas you want to highlight like if you did something special, or had a trouble spot to go through. Then finish up with the obligatory sunshine pictures. I hate the threads where the person didn`t take any because it was too late/dark. Well what`s the point of the thread if you don`t have after shots? Isn`t that the point of C&B? One other suggestion I really like, try to take the same post detail shots as you took prior to polishing. Especially if you are lucky enough to have similar lighting for both. Those are the pictures that really show the transformation. It`s a bit annoying when someone has pictures of the entire car out in the sun prior to detailing, but then after it`s done, they take indoor pictures, and don`t even show the entire car to see the difference.



    Take my thoughts with a grain of salt, but that`s how I feel.


    Well put Grimm. I understand what you are saying and agree with most of your comments. I am guilty of "non contribute" status due to the fact that I do not earn a living in the "detailing" world and have nothing of real value to offer. I take care of my stable of vehicles/bikes as a hobby and personal outlet for the satisfaction of preparing my stuff for use, shows and judging myself. I have great respect for the guys that take the time to do EXCEPTIONAL/PROFESSIONAL work AND take the time to share it here for all to see. Sure, there is a certain amount of "ego" and "self promotion" involved - nothing wrong with that. This is how we learn by sharing and discussion. Two things are certain: things will change and we will resist that change. Thank you all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmie jam
    Two things are certain: things will change and we will resist that change. Thank you all!


    Well put! So, So true!
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    Haha......jumped the shark.......Happy Days!



    I just looked back at my C&B`s. I got over 25-30 comments on some then it faded. I found that my extreme make over details got the most views. Not the fancy smancy paint corrections.



    Seems that most want to see a complete turd turned into a diamond. I must admit, that`s what I like to look for on Click and Brags. That and an explanation of what the hell they did. LOL! Not just pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmie jam
    I do not earn a living in the "detailing" world and have nothing of real value to offer. I take care of my stable of vehicles/bikes as a hobby and personal outlet for the satisfaction of preparing my stuff for use, shows and judging myself. I have great respect for the guys that take the time to do EXCEPTIONAL/PROFESSIONAL work AND take the time to share it here for all to see. Sure, there is a certain amount of "ego" and "self promotion" involved - nothing wrong with that. This is how we learn by sharing and discussion. Two things are certain: things will change and we will resist that change. Thank you all!


    This describes me exactly as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nth Degree
    For those who say they don`t have time to do write ups, consider the value to the owner of a car if you provide them a personal write up for their garage queen. For my clients who want full corrections I document each step and take tons of photos. Each client I have done this for has been blown away. Some I see regularly and they tell me how they show it to all their friends to show what the car looked like before, and sometimes reminds them of their own amazement upon seeing their car for the first time after the detail. My forum posts are often just a watered down version of those.


    Indeed! And especially if you`re detailing a special interest high end or classic vehicle, thorough documentation of the work done on it helps the owner build pedigree for the car. Judges at a car show or potential bidders at an auction can see the high standard the vehicle was brought to, the level of care that was taken to save the originality of the vehicle, and use it as a "snapshot in time" to determine if what they see in front of them is a vehicle still in that condition, highlighting the owner`s commitment to proper maintenance.
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