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    Any water that doesn`t test at 7.0 Ph is not pure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBee364
    Any water that doesn`t test at 7.0 Ph is not pure.


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    Be specific - Where do you get pure water then!

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    This is like someone arguing that 2 + 2 = 5 . . . for sufficiently large values of "2", of course.



    Where do you get your water, pure or not? If it has a pH of 3 - 5 coming out of the tap, your municipality has some real problems with water treatment.







    If you want to argue that a safe cleaning solution for leather (NOT pure water) has a pH in that range, I`ll take your word for it; I`m not a "leather chemist".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TortoiseAWD
    This is like someone arguing that 2 + 2 = 5 . . . for sufficiently large values of "2", of course.



    Where do you get your water, pure or not? If it has a pH of 3 - 5 coming out of the tap, your municipality has some real problems with water treatment.



    If you want to argue that a safe cleaning solution for leather (NOT pure water) has a pH in that range, I`ll take your word for it; I`m not a "leather chemist".


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    I am putting a challenge to you, as I said looser pays the bill in any convention in any city.



    Let the coordinator get the supplies from that particular city too.



    1. 2 to 3 brands of pH meter.



    2. A minimum of 7 brands of distilled water as stated in the chart.



    Let’s have a panel of judges, calibrate the meters and go read all seven brands of distilled water.



    If the average is 7 you win and I pay the bill, how about that?



    With all your convincing supporting scientific facts, you will be there for a trill!



    What do you think?





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    Um, you claimed a pH of 3 - 5 first. Seems like the burden of proof is on you; feel free to cite *any* scientific source that says the pH of pure water is in the range of 3 - 5. Take tap water from any tap in North America . . . if you can hit anywhere near 5 with your calibrated meters and panel of judges, I`d be shocked. I`d also say the pipes in your city aren`t long for this world due to the corrosion potential of a solution that acidic.



    Good lord, man, this is high school science. pH measures the amount of hydrogen ions in solution on a logarithmic scale. Pure water is a reference point used by the creator of the scale that`s considered neutral (neither acidic nor basic). As Supe said, if your water sample doesn`t measure 7, it isn`t pure. Brand X distilled water doesn`t measure 7? Well, then, by golly, it contains impurities.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Koh
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    Water can be so… good!



    Water can be so… bad!



    It depends on the pH of the water!



    It also depends on its purity or the solids that it carries!



    So, a leather-safe pure water should have a pH value of 3 - 5.





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    This was what I said:



    "So, a leather-safe pure water should have a pH value of 3 - 5".





    I can also proof it anywhere, anytime - preferably in a convention where the losers pays the bill.



    You can bring all the high-end fashion brands of leather wears, where it says: "D0 Not Wet Clean" or "Dry Clean Only"!



    Why? Non leather-safe water damages leather!





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    I haven`t seen anything like this since Slick Willie was grilled on the Monica affair. Define ph ... define water?



    C`mon ya`ll this ain`t cold fusion engineering, it`s wiping down leather seats in cars. Every company has their fans and they`re all the best, others are second or crap.



    Most people ruin interiors beyond hope and expect miracles in a bottle or us to make it like new. You can`t always do that , although Jake is the exception there!



    Can we all agree that there are differences in "professional" opinion and it`s up to you , the consumer to make a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TortoiseAWD
    This is like someone arguing that 2 + 2 = 5 . . . for sufficiently large values of "2", of course.


    That is *the* funniest thing I`ve read in a long time. lol:LOLOL



    Kinda like arguing the Earth is round as a ball...



    But where do you get your balls from???



    Sorry.... couldn`t help it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuneBug
    Can we all agree that there are differences in "professional" opinion and it`s up to you , the consumer to make a choice.


    I suppose you`re right. My inner-science-geek is all worked up, though . . . it`s like the freezing and boiling points of water. pH is a man-made scale that uses pure water as the neutral measuring point of 7, very much like Celcius and Farenheit temperature scales are based on the boiling and freezing points of water at one atmosphere.



    Off to my Flat Earth Society meeting (and to boil water for my coffee @ 75` C) . . .



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    :dig:geez



    Seems this thread which started off harmless is just a bunch of "experts" digging holes bigger than they can stand in.



    Fatliquor a car seat? Sure, you want me to remove the skins off my Porsche just to condition them? Holy crap.:LOLOL:argue:hm Ah... I`ll pass.

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    Has anyone compiled a list of vehicles which came from the factory with coated leather?





    I did an 1989 M3 today that made a "miracle recovery" using Leatherique products. I actually shocked myself.



    Clearly not coated seats. Or, were the seats so worn that the coating was completely gone???? (too much mental masturbation...)
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    Man this thread is really out to confuse people. First they say condition it with oil. Then they say condition it with water. AND NOW you got people trying to reinvent the PH scale.



    Roger is an EXPERT PROFESSIONAL though! If he says 3-3.5=pure water than, damnit, that`s pure neutral water.

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    Here we go again.:nomore:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsoto87
    Man this thread is really out to confuse people. First they say condition it with oil. Then they say condition it with water. AND NOW you got people trying to reinvent the PH scale.



    Roger is an EXPERT PROFESSIONAL though! If he says 3-3.5=pure water than, damnit, that`s pure neutral water.




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    "If he says pH 3 - 5"



    then "That`s Pure Leather-Neutral Water".



    Because the average pH of leather is 4.



    So for leather the neutral pH is 4, do you get it?





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    See now your changing your definition after the fact.



    Your original statement was "leather safe pure water."



    The water ca,nt be pure if it had a ph of anything other than 7.



    This is pointless though since I get what you mean now.



    Thanks for clarifying.

 

 
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