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    Quote Originally Posted by David Fermani
    Epic thread :bump:



    Things and people’s opinions/workflows sure have changed since this thread began its life. I’ve tried the famous Kevin Brown Method (KBM) and now use a DA exclusively to level paint. I also feel I can get equal or better results of a rotary doing so too. But, and that’s a big but, I still feel that prior to the whole M105/DA phenomenon, there wasn’t the ability of doing so without this combo. Technology has surely been accelerated since then. No fair that you had insider information and access to products that gave heart to this whole turn in paint leveling though. ::smokin::thx



    With that said, :rip: to my Rotary



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    Long live the :waxing:


    Great bump David. It really is fun to read everyones opinions back then and I would love to see everyone put their opinions out now to see if its different. I too use my DA almost exclusively. I pull the rotary out for poos and giggles but my work gets done by the DA.

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    I HATE the PC polisher.. I`ll just leave it at that.





    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKleven
    I HATE the PC polisher.. I`ll just leave it at that.





    Cheers!


    How about not leaving it at that.... why do you "HATE" the PC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Lil Detlr
    How about not leaving it at that.... why do you "HATE" the PC?


    I`ve had this argument before so many times, but the thing vibrates your hands numb, doesn`t have enough power IMO therefore takes too long to correct something. It`s fine for the home user, but is not efficient if used by a professional, since you can achieve better results much quicker with a rotary, or even a flex dual action polisher. It also feels incredibly cheaply built, which should be suspected with it`s low price tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKleven
    I`ve had this argument before so many times, but the thing vibrates your hands numb, doesn`t have enough power IMO therefore takes too long to correct something. It`s fine for the home user, but is not efficient if used by a professional, since you can achieve better results much quicker with a rotary, or even a flex dual action polisher. It also feels incredibly cheaply built, which should be suspected with it`s low price tag.


    Have you used the newer generation PCs, or just the original? How about the MF DA system?



    Maybe it`s just because PCs are what I started and learned with early on, but they don`t phase me one bit, especially when used with the best techniques I get great results fast with mine....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKleven
    Since you can achieve better results much quicker with a rotary, or even a flex dual action polisher.


    Quite the opinion there... Have you even tried a non-diminishing abrasive polish?

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    Trashed Jet Black paint is one kind that the rotary handles better over the flex or PC. Otherwise, the PC/flex (the new versions of pc) "can" correct faster in my experience on so many finishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKleven
    I HATE the PC polisher..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Lil Detlr
    why do you "HATE" the PC?


    I`m sure no fan of the original PC either. Way too much vibration and seriously underpowered. Haven`t tried the XP, but I gotta say that the Griot`s 6" RO is *SO* superior to the PC that it`s almost silly to consider them members of the same category. While I`ll admit I simply don`t like my rotaries, I used to reach for them when I needed to do serious correction on hard clear; no need for that any more, though I will say that a rotary teamed with rocks-in-a-bottle can do some very serious work in one quick pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator
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    I`m sure no fan of the original PC either. Way too much vibration and seriously underpowered. Haven`t tried the XP, but I gotta say that the Griot`s 6" RO is *SO* superior to the PC that it`s almost silly to consider them members of the same category. While I`ll admit I simply don`t like my rotaries, I used to reach for them when I needed to do serious correction on hard clear; no need for that any more, though I will say that a rotary teamed with rocks-in-a-bottle can do some very serious work in one quick pass.




    I agree completely, my Makita sits in it`s bag since I got my Griot`s 6". You can`t compare the Griot`s to a PC because that`s just not fair to the PC IMO. I gave my PC away because quite honestly, using it again after using the Griot`s just sucks. I guess if you have small hands or something the PC would be better, but the correction part, no comparison.

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    Don`t get rid of your pc`s, put them to use pushing 3" pads so you don`t have to constantly switch backing plates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoknfastlegend
    Don`t get rid of your pc`s, put them to use pushing 3" pads so you don`t have to constantly switch backing plates.


    No they need to just ship them to me... Ill put them to use some how!:heelclick

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    Your friend is wrong... it`s really that simple... while I prefer the Flex over a PC, still the same idea but a bit faster. As I said though your friend is wrong and also a moron. It CAN and DOES remove scratches and swirls. If you want to argue the time it takes then that`s perfectly fine, but to say it doesn`t work is pure ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist302008
    Your friend is wrong... it`s really that simple... while I prefer the Flex over a PC, still the same idea but a bit faster. As I said though your friend is wrong and also a moron. It CAN and DOES remove scratches and swirls. If you want to argue the time it takes then that`s perfectly fine, but to say it doesn`t work is pure ignorance.


    LOL, that`s some pretty harsh words right there. Did you see the date of the original post or read any of the prior posts? This thread is almost 3 years old, and a LOT has changed in that time. Even big names like Todd Helme, David Fermani and Rydawg were on board with the fact that a PC just couldn`t cut it (no pun intended) back then. With the advent of 105, Surbufs, MF pads and the KBM, facts and opinions changed, and a lot of these guys have adopted the PC as their main machine now. I think this is why David bumped this thread in the first place. Take it for what it is, an interesting read into how quickly things change in the industry and how people must change with it or get left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenap
    LOL, that`s some pretty harsh words right there. Did you see the date of the original post or read any of the prior posts? This thread is almost 3 years old, and a LOT has changed in that time. Even big names like Todd Helme, David Fermani and Rydawg were on board with the fact that a PC just couldn`t cut it (no pun intended) back then. With the advent of 105, Surbufs, MF pads and the KBM, facts and opinions changed, and a lot of these guys have adopted the PC as their main machine now. I think this is why David bumped this thread in the first place. Take it for what it is, an interesting read into how quickly things change in the industry and how people must change with it or get left behind.


    oh... oops, no I didn`t see the date lol sorry. Yes, things have changed quite a bit over the years for sure.

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    Hey wow!



    I didn`t realize "Epic Threads" was really a section! Cool. :cooleek:

 

 
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