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    Quote Originally Posted by ktorres1120
    I don`t think that asking questions about this product should be considered "Bashing". If you are trying to market a product that I am going to up-sell to my clients, then it is my right to ask as many questions about it as I can think of. I like to build relationships with my clients and there`s no way that I`m going to up-sell them on a product just to make a quick buck. However non-business like that sounds to you, that`s how I feel. Just because I can make $150-200 in 15 minutes, doesn`t mean that it is the best for my client.



    I commend the money making business opportunity this can be and appreciate the OP`s intent on helping everyone make a buck, however probing into this a little more and asking questions is what everyone should be doing.



    I go in peace...


    Up selling has a negative overtone because there are ppl who do misrepresent products and services. It is just as unethical to use waxes and sealants that only last 2 months so you can get more money from the client over time. The place for the product must be determined by the installer. The product was speculated to sell for $90 per 4 oz. and the title of the thread may be misleading. If you take into account the price with relation to the durability and that two techs were working on the vehicle, It`s very reasonable. As far as defining bashing: if you read the entire thread, you can see legitimate concerns and also "I ain`t buying into it" stuff. Skepticism is a necessary tool for weeding through many issues, but the scientific method wins this one. I think it`s unfair to call something BS when ppl have actually used it and provided statements and pics/videos. Most likely we have all been scammed before, but this is a place for professionals and detailing peers. One more thing, some said earlier that this product would put us out of work. That`s ridiculous and unfounded. It`s not armor, it`s a coating. Not everyone will want it, not everyone will sell it, etc. and cars still need other maintenance we can provide other than swirl removal. Waxes and dressings, wells and jambs, engine detailing, interior refreshing, etc. will all be necessary regardless of the coating. And just because it`s been on ONE car for 3-4 years does not mean that is the sales pitch on the label. That`s just what the betas have reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porta
    The guy donĂ‚´t even know what a QD is. I have seen it on many cars and it does work. I know that you are a Zaino guy but 1001 layers of Z2 wont sheet like a fresh applied layer of nuba after 14 months. Not even with a spritz of Z8 after each wash.



    The only problem with these products is that they all have a bad rep beacuse of dealer scammers. If the product is used buy a person who have resonable detailing knowledges, then it will performe very well. IE a proper prep is everything.


    Porta, I can agree and yes I`m a Zaino user for now because I feel it gives the longest lasting protection and it looks nice, but that`s the only reason.



    Personally I don`t think the way water beads off paint is relivent so long as it beads is all I`m concerned about. Fact is that clean paint will bead with no protection on it at all....



    I`m critical of this "new" product Anthony is using cause I`m always looking for what might be the best products to use on my clients cars.



    How has it been tested, what were the criteria to the testing and where`s the documentation after 14 months. To claim 14 months protection is a pretty huge deal to not have any evidence of other then a few detailers word of mouth??



    That`s why I question it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueDetailer
    At first, It seems more like you just wanted a pat on your back.



    Cause you know you didn`t really explain anything about this coating in your very first post. All you did was brag about how you made $300 in one hour, and tell us you have more set up this week. Seems more like you wanted to hype people up about buying this stuff rather then informing them what it can do.



    Now that people are coming up with good questions you`re having a hard time answering them with actual facts. If this is supposed to be like a another clear coat like you mentioned in your first few replys. The why do you get paint transfer on single stage paints, How can you not be sure if clay removes it, etc etc.



    So from the first page it went from being like another clear coat that can stand up to almost anything to now only being some added protection that will have to be maintained.



    This will be my last post about this stuff. Let it be known though just by your first post. I think this was nothing more then a spam/schill post by you and your friend the dr. in order to hype up this product on the forums.



    :geez


    I`ve read a lot of your posts since I came to Autopia and it`s apparent that you use very effective methods and products. I have also noticed that you seem (my observation only) to resist change and have the "if it ain`t broke" mentality, which you are fully entitled to. I just don`t understand why all the negativity toward something you can`t wrap your head around. Nobody`s asking you to sell it, or buy it for that matter. Hell, it can`t even be bought yet...but i digress. My point is that I have tried it and was also skeptical (only applying it to my hood), and it`s the real deal. I don`t work for OPT, I don`t sell OPT, I just use and like the line. I won my sample in a drawing on the OPT forum. I had it for a month before I got the nerve to apply it. I am chiming in for those ppl who are looking for better technology and easier ways to do stuff. Since you aren`t looking for a new system and feel that it threatens your "bread and butter" 2-3 month customers, you might need to stay clear of it, but what will you do when some local competition starts selling it? Will you talk slanderously about his products and methods to inquirers or do an honest evaluation for yourself to determine if you should carry a similar product. Good business is keeping with advanced techniques and products to best serve your customers and the constantly changing needs of advanced paint systems. JMHO.

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    Integrity, I think part of the problem with these threads are that they only give end results.....



    People don`t just want end results when investing money into a product, they want to know about the testing:



    When was the testing started?

    How was the car prep`d?

    What was the process?

    How was the car maintained for these 3 years during the testing?

    Is the car a garage queen or DD?

    Were any other protection products put on the car during these years?

    When did it start to diminish?



    Seriously, why do people claim great results but then act like they don`t know about the product or the process leading up to those results. I think that is why people are bashing and calling BS.



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    Dave Fermani,



    Dean - I don`t know of a paint protection product/company that warranties against this. In the fine print there`s usually an exclusion that will void the agreement if the vehicle isn`t maintained properly. You also need to contact the warranty company within a certain time frame once the condition is noticed. As for bird droppings, warranties state that they need to be washed/cleaned within a "reasonable time". These warranties usually cover loss of gloss and protection from common elements. I`m sure if you parked your vehicle outside of an industrial plant and only washed it monthly you`d have problems and in turn not be covered under the warranty. I`ve seen alot of "User Defined" loop holes/gray areas in protection agreements.


    My biggest concern with using the "3 years of protection" sell to private customers is if they experience issues such as etching and harsh wash scratches they might question as to why your product failed inside of 3 years. I would not be overly concerned of litigation against my company, but I would not want to lose customers because they felt I oversold a product.
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    Not to split hairs, but it`s actually $150/hr since there were 2 of you working on the detail / sealant package (2 man hours). Still good money.



    I would be prepared for customers like this...



    http://www.autopia.org/forum/profess...out-there.html



    To come back in 2 years and 11 months later wanting it re applied for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clean Dean
    Interesting thread from a professional I have nothing but respect for. My concerns with a product with a protection life span is what that would that protection promise to protect against. Would a warranty be issued?



    Do you guarantee protection against:



    etching

    swirls

    scratches

    chips

    industrial fallout



    My concern with ever offering 3 years of protection in a product, would be with a customer who now feels his finish is protected against all enviromental conditions. What if car is subjected to a harsh environment, and the owner believes that his finish will remain flawless regardless of how the vehicle is cared for. Would it be possible that the owner will now believe that the finish cannot be damaged and will take less care in properly washing the car? How about an owner with a black car who leaves his car outdoors for an extended period of time with a large bird dropping on the finish in the heat? Would he now attempted to claim liability against you if the finish is etched?



    I will not bash a product I never tried, but I would be concerned about offering any time frame on protection without thoroughly explaining to the owner what could happen if the car is not properly cared for.



    I haven`t tried a new polymer sealant or covering for that matter in about 5 years (aint broke don`t fix it) and have stuck with a few reliable products that have worked well for me consistently, but I am enticed to give this product a try.



    When will this product be available? Where can you purchase it? What is the price with regards to size (16oz, .5 gal, 1gal)?



    I just checked out Optimum`s website and did not see it?






    Holy smokes this thread hit a nerve somewhere......but on to the replies.



    CleanDean, thanks for the kind words buddy, right back at you and you have raised some important questions/concerns.



    I understand fully how after this product is applied clients may then feel that they now have an indestructible barrier on their cars paint and nothing short of nuclear fall out should damage it. Reality of this though is that not even the factory clear coat is truly permanent because too much heat and friction from a buffer will cause burn through and wet sanding can level the clear out also. Then we have the issues of UV absorbers not being applied properly at the factory which can lead to premature clear failure. So even the factory clear has its limits.



    What I tell my clients is this.....I have applied a coating to your paint that should last you up to 3 years or longer. It`s not necessary to wax the car but it can be if you like. Repeated car washes should have no effect on the coating, you have added UV protection and ease of cleaning and drying. Now this doesn`t mean it stops bullets or vandalism and if you get bird bombs on it you`ll still want to get that cleaned off as soon as possible and I`ll keep on eye on the coating as I visit your car for regular maintenance.



    So look at it, and explain it, as a wax that`s permanent. It gives you all the benefits of a wax but it won`t wear off.



    The warranty given with the coating will explain in greater detail what voids the warranty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmie jam
    Anthony,



    the point that i was making was just an opinion. good or bad. founded or unfounded. it`s only in the reader`s mind. just like your original post - you were stating an opinion. i just found it unusual that you would spend so much time and effort to "defend" it. why should you care what anyone else thinks - negative or positive (unless you are trying to "sell" something)? i wasn`t attacking you or anyone else - just stating my opinion about the thread. i stand by my "take" or "read" on it (the thread). everyone has an opinion. :argue::xyxthumbs


    I understand your point and again you have every right to an opinion. My point is this. I am not "defending" the product so much as I am seeking to answer as many people as I possibly can as honestly as I can.



    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by sQuashed
    From page 1 (the holy grail page) Do you think this is what`s creating the skepticism?




    Only if it were untrue. I have evidence of the first batch of this coating still on cars at 3 and 4 years.



    The current product has been refined and while I have not had it for more than 2 months on cars I have every reason to believe that it is better in all areas.



    Again, I have created no hype concerning this product but rather have been open and honest as to what it can and cannot do. I have repeatedly stated that it is NOT the silver bullet of products nor that it can stop laser beams and bullets. You yourself have used the word "holy grail", not me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueDetailer
    At first, It seems more like you just wanted a pat on your back.



    Cause you know you didn`t really explain anything about this coating in your very first post. All you did was brag about how you made $300 in one hour, and tell us you have more set up this week. Seems more like you wanted to hype people up about buying this stuff rather then informing them what it can do.



    Now that people are coming up with good questions you`re having a hard time answering them with actual facts. If this is supposed to be like a another clear coat like you mentioned in your first few replys. The why do you get paint transfer on single stage paints, How can you not be sure if clay removes it, etc etc.



    So from the first page it went from being like another clear coat that can stand up to almost anything to now only being some added protection that will have to be maintained.



    This will be my last post about this stuff. Let it be known though just by your first post. I think this was nothing more then a spam/schill post by you and your friend the dr. in order to hype up this product on the forums.



    :geez


    I have been detailing for some 20 odd years now. I have had plenty of "back pats" over those years and frankly had I wanted more pats on the back I would have posted this elsewhere and in more forums but you`ll find that this is the only place I have posted this. I belong to 18 forums so a "pat on my back" is not what I want nor need.



    Thanks for your input though.



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    Does this product need be applied in a "low dust" environment?



    Will contaminants stick to the product as it dries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshVette
    Integrity, I think part of the problem with these threads are that they only give end results.....



    People don`t just want end results when investing money into a product, they want to know about the testing:



    When was the testing started?

    How was the car prep`d?

    What was the process?

    How was the car maintained for these 3 years during the testing?

    Is the car a garage queen or DD?

    Were any other protection products put on the car during these years?

    When did it start to diminish?



    Seriously, why do people claim great results but then act like they don`t know about the product or the process leading up to those results. I think that is why people are bashing and calling BS.



    Josh


    The testing started some 4 years ago on various cars and panels.



    After polishing the paint, if needed, we give the paint an alcohol wipe down.



    The application process is much like applying Zaino Clear Seal



    On my test cars I only washed them. I applied no wax or sealants on them. On some panels though, mainly on my own cars, I used various waxes and sealants on top of the coating to see the effects.



    Some cars are daily drivers and others are garage queens. Obviously the garage queens are still in good standing at 3 years.



    The Porsche I had it on at 2 years was recently T-boned at an intersection and sadly that test vehicle is now out of the test:cooleek: It was holding up fine though at 2 years and this was a daily driver. The owner liked the coating so well that he has requested it be applied to his new Porsche to be delivered in September.



    I have only seen a diminish on the Maserati hood that has been going pretty good for almost 4 years now. This though is on a garage queen but it has been brutally handled by the owner also.



    I hope this helps clear up some issues.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jsatek
    Does this product need be applied in a "low dust" environment?



    Will contaminants stick to the product as it dries?


    The cleaner the environment the better. Crap floating around can become a hassle if it settles on the paint as the product is drying. It can be easily cleared up but a hassle nonetheless.



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    Since I am moving to Oregon, this maybe the product that will help me to stand out from other detailers.:xyxthumbs:xyxthumbs:xyxthumbs:xyxthumbs:spot:spot:spot



    How long does it take to dry and what happens if the paint gets wet an hour after application. Can you top it with a carnauba or sealant immediately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueDetailer
    Let it be known though just by your first post. I think this was nothing more then a spam/schill post by you and your friend the dr. in order to hype up this product on the forums.



    :geez


    Honestly, I don`t think Autopians are really a market for this product and no amount of hype is going to persuade someone to buy what will probably be an expensive per use product. Autopians like to mess with their finish regularly and probably aren`t all that interested in something that lasts for 3 years. Why buy a product that lasts 3 years when you like waxing your car monthly?



    Even for a pro like myself, I see a very limited market for this product. Most of my customers like to have me come out regularly and polish and wax their cars. That way, the finish on their car is constantly being refined and 3 years down the road, their car actually looks better than it did when new. I have a few customer who I may see once every year or two and they are the ones I will be asking if they are interested in a ultra long life sealant.
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