I don`t think you answered this part:
Originally Posted by TrueDetailer View Post
Ok, so does this coating prevent a car from getting swirls,scratches,water etching,fallout,etc,etc for 3 years or more?
I don`t think you answered this part:
Originally Posted by TrueDetailer View Post
Ok, so does this coating prevent a car from getting swirls,scratches,water etching,fallout,etc,etc for 3 years or more?
Originally Posted by OverExposed
This is not a commercial post in the sense that I am selling anything. If you notice my on-line store has been taken down and closed. So I am only sharing my experience with this product and seeking to help others in possibly generating extra income. I have not posted this in the general detailing areas nor the product discussion area but here in the pro detailing section.
Thanks,
Anthony
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Originally Posted by ktorres1120
Sorry about that. To a slight degree we have noticed it does help in prolonging the polished paint stay swirl free (from washing and drying).
Now if someone keys your car or you get abrasive grit in your wash mitt or towel then it most likely won`t protect against that. It may possibly lessen the correction needed though.
Anthony
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Originally Posted by Anthony Orosco
I don`t even know where to start with the statements you made in this reply.
First off, You didn`t really answer my question in your reply. About if this product prevents swirls,etching,scratches,etc,etc.
Second, most people don`t own garage queens, so that statement you made about cars not having to be clayed or polished ever is too funny. Every car i have ever worked on has needed some kind of correction. Even brand new cars need to be clayed and sometimes polished.
And even if a car is properly maintained it will eventually need to be polished. There is no way to prevent swirls even with the most anal upkeep of a vehicle, you`re going to get them. And far before that coating wears off, by the time frame they claim at least.
Lastly, if this product lasts that long how is it going to put more money in my pocket? The way i look at it is i just screwed myself out of a wash and wax job every 4 to 6 weeks. And possibly a few full exterior details if this stuff prevents swirls and such. Now my customer thinks all he`ll need for the next few years is a basic wash. So i went from making say 200 a month on one customer to only 100. Say i get every customer i have on board for that coating well i just lost out on ever waxing or polishing a car again for years. So in reallity that coating might of made me a little extra cash in the short run but in the long run i lost more then it made me.
Now i`m not trying to bash this product, just the truthful opinion of a pro.
This product def seems interesting, but I feel that I would want to learn more about it. Thanks for posting the product, I hope to learn more about it. I have one question that touches on TrueDetailer`s comments, and that is can we still perform our norm services to the cars? There are always the customers looking to the the absolute least amount of work and that is where I feel I can sell this, but what about my regulars that like that freshly polished and waxed look? I don`t want my regulars to have to pay me more to reapply, but I also don`t want to lose the upkeep services. Your thoughts?
Thanks,
Jason
Originally Posted by Anthony Orosco
Ok, you just said it wouldn`t need to be protected again for 3 years, then you say it helps prolong the protection of the paint, but only to a slight degree If my paint is only slightly protected for three years, chances are there will be some serious damage.
And I still don`t know what the product were talking about is.
Originally Posted by TrueDetailer
First, I did reply to those questions. Look again.
Secondly, I never said YOU HAD to use this product. I offered my experience with it to others and if they want to use it they can.
Thirdly, I stated this was geared to pros and I also stated how it can be used most effectively. I still wash and maintain my clients cars with this coating and I even wax them on a regular basis. This does not mean you cannot nor do not continue to wax cars. I can wash and dry a car with this coating on it and if done correctly never touch it with a towel except to blot a few areas. So this saves time plus towels used, therefore one can theoretically do more cars with less towels.
Fourth, I have several cars in my care that I have not polished in over 3 years. They are garage queens to the extreme. I seek out this type of client because I hate washing cars, hence the development of Optimum No Rinse and my use of it.
This coating suits MY specific needs and desires (and I am sure those of others), Does it suit yours? Perhaps not and that`s fine but unless you have first hand use of it and its benefits then you can only speculate.
Anthony
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You have to understand that this is going to bring on a whole lot of questions and speculation and the best thing you can do is just give as much detailed information about what this product really is. I`ve been reading through these 2 pages and still don`t really know how it protects for 3 years?
Originally Posted by MCWD
Yes, you can still maintain your weekly, bi-weekly and monthly clients just as you normally do.
Look at this coating as an extra layer of insurance in the area of durability. My clients have noticed that during rain their cars are less dirty than without the coating therefore this means the cars should be easier to clean.
This coating aids in washing, the soap kinda "peels" away from the paint and then after rinsing the forced air from an electric leaf blower pretty much dries the car without the use of a towel. It takes a little practice but I can dry Porsches with this coating on and not use a towel except to dry door jams.
You can still use a wax over the coating and also a sealant but the coating alone provides a great look also.
A typical conversation with your client can go like this.
Client: How long does your best wax last?
You: About 3 to 5 months, depending on how it`s washed and cared for, driven, garaged, etc.
Client: Well I drive my car through the touchless car washes. Does that hurt the wax?
You: Yeah, those harsh soaps can really shorten the life of the wax. I can though apply a coating to your paint that won`t be removed by those washes. It`s not like a conventional wax that wears off after a few weeks or months. I can still wax the car but with this coating you can have peace of mind that after the wax wears off you`re still protected.
Hope that helps,
Anthony
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Originally Posted by anarchistchiken
The product is a coating developed by Optimum. It has no name as of yet, I just call is a coating.
Also, I never stated that it keeps paint from being scratched but rather that it *MAY* lessen the scratches when they do occur.
I am defining *protection* in the same sense as you would for a wax and/or sealant. This does not provide an armor type coating that repels scratches, laser beams and meteorites. So think of it as your best sealant or wax but on major steroids.
Anthony
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Interesting product Anthony. What`s the price point of the product/warranty and will Optimum be self insuring the product warranty or will it be a 3rd party plan?
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Originally Posted by ktorres1120
It bonds or adheres to the paint on a molecular level through crosslinking. Again very similar to how a polymer sealant works but again think of it as a sealant but a sealant on steroids.
Paint crosslinks and only certain solvents can pass that crosslinking. So wax does not bond or crosslink with paint but rather rests on top of the paint in the form of a film.
Polymers though set up and crosslink with paint which makes their application more permanent than wax which is why many detailers apply a sealant and then a wax on top. This gives them the best of both worlds in terms of looks and durability. This coating takes that principle and pumps up the durability, longevity and protection.
Again I hope this helps,
Anthony
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Originally Posted by Anthony Orosco
Sounds like 100 other products and they are all "coatings" too. Page 1, this was the holy grail. Forward to page 3 and its just another day in the world of detailing.
Gary
Originally Posted by David Fermani
Now here are some great questions....why? Because David sees the potential and thinks like a business man.
Price point is iffy at the moment. Doctor G. has gone round and round with price so that`s not yet confirmed.
The warranty will most likely be written by a 3rd party as that would give it more clout to the potential buyer.....but again this is not yet confirmed.
Let me also state here that my use of this product will be for mainly dealers. I will apply the product and sell the warranty to the dealer who then passes that on to the buyer.
Before final release there is some more testing of application and most important will be the products container. It must be kept as air tight as possible.
Great questions David,
Anthony
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