Originally Posted by D&D Auto Detail
FK Pink Wax, XMT 180 (actually isn`t a bad product, got it for free), Collinite, Liquid Souveran (lasted an entire summer, actually), etc.
And this is just conventional washing and drying, no QD.
Originally Posted by D&D Auto Detail
FK Pink Wax, XMT 180 (actually isn`t a bad product, got it for free), Collinite, Liquid Souveran (lasted an entire summer, actually), etc.
And this is just conventional washing and drying, no QD.
Originally Posted by Bigpoppa3346
don`t forget #16
are we actually still arguing here on Autopia about which wax (carnuaba or poly sealant) lasts longer....:lol
i have a general belief/acceptance that some synthetic sealants will last longer over some carnaubas (hows that for a blanket statement).
BUT, i prefer the look of a carnauba on my three black vehicles. end of my story.
BUT customers get Collinite 476S, just for the durablility claims alone.
Originally Posted by steck
No, thats not what the thread is about. Im interested about what others think about what Sal said about Carnauba. How it leaves the finish hazy, isnt optically perfect like Zaino, etc. Im interested in the finish the two leave behind, not which one lasts longer.
I don`t care if it is a $2000 wax, 4 to 6 weeks is all you will get from any carnuaba product, it is just the nature of the beast. Not saying that it is bad just that it is not known for its durability.Originally Posted by Bigpoppa3346
Zaino has come a LONG way from when that test was done. It now mimics and even surpasses some of the best carnuaba`s on the market and is very durable to boot. Of course looks are subjective but I have a hard time telling the difference.
Collinite is a durable carnauba wax but I suspect that the durability comes from something other than the carnauba.
I called Sal once and he completely turned me off with his self-serving rhetoric.
We all have differing opinions and preferences, personally I don`t like the plastic look that Zaino gives off and I prefer the warmer shine that carnauba`s give off (even IF optically imperfect as SZ says).
I have many different Carnaubas and they all have their own characteristics. Part of the enjoyment I get , as an amateur, is trying the different waxes and see their subtle differences. Almost evey time I wash my cars, I put a coat of wax on so durability is not much of a problem for me.
I respect Meguiars for not "bashing" others. I find them substantially more professional as an organization than companies that HAVE to bash. (I use just a few meguiars products, none of their "waxes" with the exception of #16 sometimes for nostalgia`s sake)
Not having used Zaino I can`t say anything about that but I also can`t say anything about a "hazy" finish on my nuba`d cars. I can`t say anything about it because I haven`t seen any.
I use 885 aka, 476S, which I heard was more polyethylene than anything else. However, whenever I use Pete`s 53 then I get very clear wet look on my paint. I don`t want to make a conclusion, however, because I haven`t seen side-by-side my car with nuba or Zaino. But I figure, my stuff works for me and I`m not going to buy Zaino stuff `just` to see.
Originally Posted by z06meister
I have to respectfully disagree. I get more than 4-6 weeks out of many carnauba products, with no QD or booster.
To be honest, I was a bit underwelmed by Zaino, in my admittedly (very) limited experience. I have found *carnauba* products that bead and retain slickness better than it. For me, the best thing about Zaino is how after a wash it looks freshly sealed and how the paint *seems* to have less wash-induced marring vs. other products.
Originally Posted by wannafbody
I do not own those products so cannot speak for them. But I do have AW which is apparently right on par with Z8. I guess that would be faster than applying the Lusso, haha!
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Originally Posted by D&D Auto Detail
Keep in mind that Sal does not sell wax so I am not surprised at all by his attitudes towards it. I have nothing against Sal or Zaino, fact is I use his products as well as a variety of others on a regular basis.
As much as people try and convince you otherwise there is no be all, end all product out there. People have different needs and preferences and there is room in the market for Carnaubas and Sealants, I am always puzzled why some act as if there isn`t.
I rather like Z5pro and Z8 as a combo but still nowhere near the look of a quality carnuaba as its missing something maybe depth. the one question nobody answers is how can and how do you measure Zaino as being optically clear. it is colored liqud and thus some must transfer upon application as he suggest with carnuaba.
Sure Z5pro has a tint to it but I assume the tint wipes away with the haze. No doubt CS is clear.
I read Sal`s response and it was an informative reply to the conclusion of the original letter. Here was the statement given that got a response in the first place:
Quote:...... My conclusion was that there was nothing "special" about Zaino. It is
certainly as good as other premium products, but I couldn`t see if it was
any better.
....Ok, after that point Sal explained why Zaino is different . And he was spot on as usual with his product. I couldn`t imagine the number of times he has had to explain the difference between a wax and his sealants to folks year after year....
No biggie here......
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