Originally Posted by Accumulator
You were probably out of breath from performing one of your epic 2-bucket method/foam gun/boar`s hair brush car wash
Originally Posted by Accumulator
You were probably out of breath from performing one of your epic 2-bucket method/foam gun/boar`s hair brush car wash
Still using Carnauba Moose here. :wavey
I still won`t use carnuba unless a client is fixed on it. Been about 3 years since that has happened.
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Originally Posted by Scottwax
I was recently introduced to this stuff, and it`s awesome. Very odd consistency in the bottle but it looks amazing on my red car.
1800 - 2011 and still being used, if its dead someone should tell Swisswax, Zymol, Victoria Wax, et al `cause they didn`t get the memo
What gets overlooked too often is that one must be a student before becoming a teacher.
This is just like the Manual Transmission vs Semi-Automatic transmission that has been waging in the sports car world. There`s always gonna be a personal preference. You gotta love the visceral connection of rowing your own gears. But you can`t ignore the benefits of technology, either. Times they are a changin`.
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I have always got a kick out of the replies and opinions of carnuba and "experts" pro`s and con`s on it.
An example is their conception that when the label says "contains 100% carnuba wax", they assume that`s the content, all carnuba was.
Not possible, if the blender goes much over 10% of content it would be virtually impossible to get it soft enough and apply to the surface, then it would be next to impossible to buff to a gloss.
4 grades of carnuba, some used in food products, some in cosmetics, etc, etc.
Top grade is almost pure white, not yellow by the way.
Many appreciate the gloss and lenght of holding up of FK-1000P, yet don`t tout carnuba`s as they don`t hold up to heat, etc.
Here`s a headline for all, FK-1000P has a high % content of "carnuba wax" in the formula!
But-WAIT-it is not (or at the time Floyd was still alive) natural carnuba, but a synthetic version produced in Europe!
Gives all the posistives that carnuba lovers want, but has a "much higher fracture point than natural carnuba wax", which was vital for the use that FK-1000P was formulated for--a mold release agent!
The curing process of gel coat and the resins in the glas fabric generates temp`s above 210F.
A top grade natural carnuba fractures at around 145F. So it would not work well and would melt (fracture) before the part was cured and would then stick to the mold. You don`t ever want to be the one to have to work a FRP part out of a tooling mold that has stuck!
Mequair`s mades a similar mold release wax product, however when at Finish Kare, we usually beat them out when going head to head in a production shop, as the FK-1000P would out perform their product. I am NOT saying their product was a bad product, just that we had a higher fracture point and in some conditions would hold up better.
It is quite labor intensive to apply either product to a tooling mold, and requires a refreshing of the release wax every few parts cast, which sent all the companies competing to go in search of another, superior release agent.
IE-newer polymer solutions!
Wipe on, let cure, wipe off, versus the several layers of wax based release agents, 4 or more coats for the first part, with one or two layers after a part or two.
Big labor savings with the new generations of polymer release agents.
These raw polymer resins have found their way into automotive products, which are being used by many today when producing new products.
Still boils down to one thing--use what makes you happy, there really is not that much difference in most-just a different label or marketing spin.
I still love the old FK-1000P, even though it is labor intensive to apply and remove, it does it job, very, very well.
Grumpy
Interesting info, Ron. You were at Finish Kare?
One mini trivia kind of thing it took me all but 5 or 6 years to discover about FK just the other day.
Ever notice the initials "FM" in the dot in the second "i" in the word "Finish" on the label? Surely they must stand for Floyd Meguiar. A subtle, personal touch to his company.
Treat it like it`s the only one in the world.
Yeah, National Sales Manager-Automotive for 4 years, then General Sales Manager for almost 4 years.
Cool! Any other pearls of knowledge about FK you`d like to share? We`re open to be schooled about FK products that don`t get much attention these days.Originally Posted by Ron Ketcham
That is because when Floyd got in a pissing contest with his uncles, left and started Finish Kare.
They sued him for use of his "own name" and could not even sign a letter using his last name for a few years until a higher court threw out the ruling.
When I redesigned the automotive labels he pitched a *****, since the new one`s did not have his crest and initials included.
Took a while to get him to cool down and understand that the market we were reaching didn`t care about his ego, but products and if the label said what was in the bottle and stood out on the shelf.
Shortly after I had the last screwing from him I could stand, he changed many of the labels back to his 1960`s style.
Grumpy
Not much there anymore, after his passing, his daughter took it over, pretty much ran the mold release and automotive in the ground, sold it to JJ.
He got the mold release back on it`s feet, but mainly went after private label business for automotive.
Then he got someone to take over sales and marketing of the auto line, which I guess was not as profitable as they thought.
Seems they have faded from the consumer market over that past 4 years.
Grumpy
Originally Posted by Ron Ketcham
That`s kinda sad. But hey, it was important enough to him. I bet you just threw up your hands and muttered "whatever" ( among other things not suitable for a G-rated audience ) under your breath.
Treat it like it`s the only one in the world.
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