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**chml17l** · 01-07-2007, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by GregCavi

Yes you can. Most of my tests have been either ZPC followed by CS, or AIO followed by CS. The durability on CS is so exceptional that I do not feel the need to do an additional coat of Z5pro or the like.

Greg

Thanks Greg, that is good information to know.

**imported_GregCavi** · 01-07-2007, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony Orosco

I like the idea of a long lasting protective finish yet I hated having to wait hours for a polymer to bond so I came up with the idea of a wipe on/wipe off sealant that would avoid the bonding time and the sometimes difficult removal of some sealants.Ã¢â‚¬

Anthony, pertaining to your last post, did you mean wipe on/walk away sealant instead of wipe on/wipe off? From your posts, I gather that the Optimum Beta Sealant, like the new ZCS, can be wiped on and it will evaporate, allowing the user to physically walk away, thus eliminating the requirement of post application wiping/toweling. Is this correct?

CS is a truly wipe on/walk away product that dries to a high gloss, super slick, extremely durable finish.

Sorry about the confusion.

Greg

**Anthony O.** · 01-07-2007, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

YOU did? I thought I had heard of WOWO before this thread, but then again, I find that the old Z5/ZFX pretty much flashes, disappears, and you don`t have to buff it off...so maybe I had the idea for CS without even knowing it...or then again, maybe someone else (Sal Zaino) did...

Just a quote from the back of the bottle of my Supercoat Aircraft Windshield Treatment circa 1976: "2. Apply...with a soft cloth...3. Before surface is dry, wipe with a clean dry soft cloth..." Sounds like WOWO to me, and they even have a product for cars now (for all I know, they had the car one back in 1976, too, I only had the Windshield one because I was told it was good for plastics).

I am not speaking of a wipe on and wipe off product but rather, as GragCavi states, a wipe on and walk away product.

I understand that this is the same idea with the Zaino product.

The product is applied, and then solvents evaporate. Again I did not come up with some new type of technology or chemistry, as I stated that would be ridiculous. What I wanted David to create was a unique product, very simple and easy to use. Instead of wiping on, wait to bond I wanted to know if it could be made to be just wiped on and then left alone?

David told me some solvents could do this but it wasn`t easy to get it all together like I had envisioned. I have come up with several product ideas but most of them are just wishful thinking and David tells me so, this one though just might work. We had in the past year tried several formulations but they if they had great durability (over a year) they had no depth, or great depth with no slickness, etc. I want this sealant to have it all....which again may be "wishful thinking". We`ll see.

So again, like the Zaino product, it`s a wipe on, forget about it type of product...what would that be..."WOWA" (wipe on/walk away)?

Anthony

**Setec Astronomy** · 01-07-2007, 01:06 PM

Ok, WOWA it is! Sorry about the confusion.

**imported_rydawg** · 01-07-2007, 04:01 PM

I too with my prep work can make turtle wax gleam, but I want the best for me. I want super gloss, no white residue, depth, ease of use, clarity, and durability.

Back in the day I used z2 non pro (the old one) and I liked it, but it was just....a tad better then ok. I was always looking for a sealant that was quick, easy to use, unbelievable gloss, depth, and great durability. I was like most people I bought a new bottle of sealant every week and after wasting thousands of dollars on so many hype products I gave up. I found one sealant/wax that was the best but was a project taking off, but the looks were so amazing and very durable. The time factor was an issue for me and this is very important (time is money).

In the end I was like most people, I was tired of hearing about the new z pro stuff and I did not want to waste my money on another hype product (I was wrong)

One day I broke down and had an urge to buy more products (we all have these urges) and I went to zaino and ordered every product they had!!!!! I was urged to see what all the hype was. I then waited for the detail product santa (he wears the ups outfit) and tried them out.

I took an 98 Escort that I have pics and post here on a click and brag I have on here. I used the zpc and topped it with z-5 pro w/zfx. The ease of use was the easiest, no white residue, very clear and bright, insane gloss and then some. I was BLOWN AWAY! I said to myself, I am stupid...I should have tried this new zpc, z5 pro a long time ago.

Now they are coming out with an aio and a sealant that you put on and walk away. This may be the easiest sealant to use possible. If it`s better than z-5 pro or the same shine and depth then I will love this one. I think zaino it catering to all the non zaino people also... You can apply this coat over any lsp brand of choice and walk away. His motto for the bottle should be," The bias opinions stops hear" or "plays well with others". Now he is open for other products to be used under this. Now that is product friendly and I think zaino is a verry good team player to do this. He is not product bashing, but he is offering a product that goes over your favorite brand for extra durability and gloss that only wipes on.

I can`t wait till they go on sale...I am sold!

**dogma** · 01-07-2007, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by rydawg

I too with my prep work can make turtle wax gleam, but I want the best for me. I want super gloss, no white residue, depth, ease of use, clarity, and durability.

Back in the day I used z2 non pro (the old one) and I liked it, but it was just....a tad better then ok. I was always looking for a sealant that was quick, easy to use, unbelievable gloss, depth, and great durability. I was like most people I bought a new bottle of sealant every week and after wasting thousands of dollars on so many hype products I gave up. I found one sealant/wax that was the best but was a project taking off, but the looks were so amazing and very durable. The time factor was an issue for me and this is very important (time is money).

In the end I was like most people, I was tired of hearing about the new z pro stuff and I did not want to waste my money on another hype product (I was wrong)

One day I broke down and had an urge to buy more products (we all have these urges) and I went to zaino and ordered every product they had!!!!! I was urged to see what all the hype was. I then waited for the detail product santa (he wears the ups outfit) and tried them out.

I took an 98 Escort that I have pics and post here on a click and brag I have on here. I used the zpc and topped it with z-5 pro w/zfx. The ease of use was the easiest, no white residue, very clear and bright, insane gloss and then some. I was BLOWN AWAY! I said to myself, I am stupid...I should have tried this new zpc, z5 pro a long time ago.

Now they are coming out with an aio and a sealant that you put on and walk away. This may be the easiest sealant to use possible. If it`s better than z-5 pro or the same shine and depth then I will love this one. I think zaino it catering to all the non zaino people also... You can apply this coat over any lsp brand of choice and walk away. His motto for the bottle should be," The bias opinions stops hear" or "plays well with others". Now he is open for other products to be used under this. Now that is product friendly and I think zaino is a verry good team player to do this. He is not product bashing, but he is offering a product that goes over your favorite brand for extra durability and gloss that only wipes on.

I can`t wait till they go on sale...I am sold!

Excellent post :goodjob

This is exactly what happend to me. Only I am still trying new products. I wonder if the is a waxaholic or sealantaholic meeting somewhere. I am sure my wife hopes so :chuckle:

**SilverLexus** · 01-07-2007, 07:16 PM

I was always looking for a sealant that was quick, easy to use, unbelievable gloss, depth, and great durability.

The newest Zaino sealants (pro) definitely can pull that off based on my experience.

I have to see how CS works with other waxes but it does open some interesting possibilities as a quick sealant product even if you don`t have Zaino base layers.

**imported_RIC** · 01-07-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Scottwax

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Honestly, that aspect of either product means little to me and probably when you get down to it, not a whole to anyone here. I`d say the vast majority of LSPs we use are so easy to wipe off that is it almost enjoyable to do so. The only real benefit seems to be a small amount of time saved.

I find that to be quite ironic coming from a guy who says it takes too much effort to mix in a few drops of ZFX into the Z5 or Z2 polish.

**imported_GregCavi** · 01-07-2007, 08:25 PM

Thanks for the reply Anthony O.

Greg

**JaCkaL829** · 01-07-2007, 09:01 PM

This Zaino CS really sounds like a breakthrough in the detailing community. I`m sure some people will be skeptical, and still favor other products too it, kinda like when sealants got big, but for me I`m definitely interested because for me it would save me so much time. I just ordered Zaino Z5 Pro, Z8 and ZFX with the intention of giving my car a nice detail and not having to worry about it. I actually planned on doing it today but just got too fatigue (I`ve had a terrible cold/pink eye) and ended up just slapping a coat of #21. If from what the beta testers are telling us is true; that CS looks as good as other Z products and durability is in the 3 month range I`ll be selling all my other stuff off and just keep my PC, MF collection, Optimum Polish and Zaino CS.

I can see why DC got all worried about this thread because it sounds like it`s going to put to shame all the products they sell/endorse :nervous2:

**buzzb** · 01-07-2007, 10:05 PM

I totally agree with JohnnyDaJackal`s observations! If Zaino CS allows a carnauba user to lock in the carnauba looks they prefer (ex. Souveran, P21S) and increase the durability by several months (1-2 to 3-4 as an example) I think this is an absolute breakthrough product. The ZAIO also sounds like it will be nice for those who do not want to use ZFX or for those looking for a quick one step product. I look forward to hearing more reviews and trying them.

**wannafbody** · 01-07-2007, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by ret

Not so fast!

I may be tilting my cards.........but IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m already developing a product that will one-up any spray-on, walk-away sealant.

ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a Ã¢â‚¬Å“touch-lessÃ¢â‚¬ sealant; and the coolest part is that it never even touches the surface of the car!!!

ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a new Water-based, self-dissolving, synthetic polymeric, optical enhancing, advanced polymer Ã¢â‚¬¦Ã¢â‚¬¦Ã¢â‚¬¦Ã¢â‚¬¦.eye-drop.

Just two drops Ã¢â‚¬Å“one for PiratesÃ¢â‚¬ will deliver an optically clear, mile-deep, mirror-like result on anything you look at, and it will last and last.

It also will remove swirls and of course it contains no abrasives (it goes in your eyeÃ¢â‚¬¦duh).

It contains UV-99 protection and you can instantly add layer after layer by just putting in more drops.

This stuff applies so quickly that we like to sayÃ¢â‚¬¦.Ã¢â‚¬If you blink, youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll miss itÃ¢â‚¬, Ã¢â‚¬Å“ReallyÃ¢â‚¬!

RET:spot

You must be a chemist for Turtle Wax:har:

**wannafbody** · 01-07-2007, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyDaJackal

This Zaino CS really sounds like a breakthrough in the detailing community. I`m sure some people will be skeptical, and still favor other products too it, kinda like when sealants got big, but for me I`m definitely interested because for me it would save me so much time. I just ordered Zaino Z5 Pro, Z8 and ZFX with the intention of giving my car a nice detail and not having to worry about it. I actually planned on doing it today but just got too fatigue (I`ve had a terrible cold/pink eye) and ended up just slapping a coat of #21. If from what the beta testers are telling us is true; that CS looks as good as other Z products and durability is in the 3 month range I`ll be selling all my other stuff off and just keep my PC, MF collection, Optimum Polish and Zaino CS.

I can see why DC got all worried about this thread because it sounds like it`s going to put to shame all the products they sell/endorse :nervous2:

If Detail City members use these products those sponsors won`t sell much of anything. I think a couple of guys over their had to change their underwear after reading about these products.

**Scottwax** · 01-08-2007, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by RIC

I find that to be quite ironic coming from a guy who says it takes too much effort to mix in a few drops of ZFX into the Z5 or Z2 polish.

Just like it was very ironic when you don`t mind purchasing and mixing ZFX but pitched a huge fit about having to shake Optimum Car Wax.

...and way to miss the point completely.

**wannafbody** · 01-08-2007, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Scottwax

Just like it was very ironic when you don`t mind purchasing and mixing ZFX but pitched a huge fit about having to shake Optimum Car Wax.

...and way to miss the point completely.

Scott- do you intend on trying the CS and ZAIO since it doesn`t rquire ZFX? I think a lot of people would appreciate full, long term reviews from you. You reputation almost demands it.