looking forward to trying the CS, I scored some old school Zaino from a member in here to try... looked pretty good, but the process did not get a honest chance, as I appiled it in between the rain bursts here..(couldn`t wait),
looking forward to trying the CS, I scored some old school Zaino from a member in here to try... looked pretty good, but the process did not get a honest chance, as I appiled it in between the rain bursts here..(couldn`t wait),
ok i`m a detailing noob and i admit i haven`t read all 39 pages, but i was interested in going with zaino for my first detail. i`ve been planning on going with ZFX/Z5p, Z6, Z8 in the spring until i saw this thread. here are my questions:
1) where will ZAIO and Z-CS fit in? in other words, does it replace one or any of those products? or should it be used in addition (and before/after what)?
2) i`ve seen lots of mention about how proper `surface prep` is essential for maximum results. what exactly is the proper prep procedure?
3) what is the general consensus on the dawn wash before first application?
Dawn wash is not needed, just use a paint cleaner (very mild polish) without any added oils before applying any of zfx, z1. z5 and/or z2...
Proper surface prep mostly involves the polishing stage. Claying is part of the prep stage, but not necessary for vehicles less than 3 years of age. Depending on the severity of your defects. the longer and more aggressive polishes you`ll need...
If you have a near swirl free car (not likely), a simple z-aio & a couple layers of z5 is all you`ll need. More likely you`ll need multiple polishes to get the paint in excellent condition. If your paint has seen too many drive-through car washes, you`ll need a series of polishes of differing amounts of aggressiveness.
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Daily drivers may need either ZFX or ZAIO after 6 months "if" no product was applied in that time frame. After 6 months with zero care (excluding washing) most vehicles will need some sprucing up. Show cars or garage queens can stretch to a one time ZFX/Z1 and / or KAIO application to about year.
Apply a layer of Z2/5 within the 6 month daily driver usage and ZFX/ZAIO/Z1 is not required but after 8-10 it is recommended that either ZFX, Z1, or ZAIO be applied for maximal results.
Better yet, just lay a layer of CS if your finish is swirl-free and appearance is holding its own to your satisfaction and start Z2/Z5 if you choose later. This quik step will eliminate previous layer removal and set the foundation for whatever topper you desire. Basically ZFX can be completely eliminated from the system.:bounce
Since Zaino`s new formulation negates the need to increasingly apply coats to achieve the desired look and normally 2-3 coats is max appearance augmentation. Using something like AIO every 6 months on a DD is quite reasonable to maintain a "show car" appearance and protection on a DD. Of course, if you live in a pollution-free environement these time-frames can be extended.:wavey
Originally Posted by mgm121499
Thanks John! I have done ZAIO on my beater and I think it looks very good, just some CS on a section of the hood. Will see how long it lasts with just QEW or Z7 washes.
I am detailing a good friends new car this w/e. So 2x of ZFX`d Z5pro, CS and Z8 should look outstanding and give outstanding durability.
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All the more reason to want to try their new advanced products! :upOriginally Posted by blkZ28Conv
ok i don`t really get #3. first of all, i don`t have a favorite polish since i haven`t used any, but what`s highly recommended around here? second, isn`t Z5p a polish?Originally Posted by Sergei
lastly, is Z-CS supposed to be replacing Z-8 or what?
Originally Posted by shift_roro
OK, fundamentally these new products (Z-CS and Z-AIO) don`t really replace any of the current line of Zaino products. They serve to augment the current line of products.
Step #3 in my description was in the context of a full detail. The point being if you have a situation where you have a car with medium to heavy swirls you need a product stronger than Z-PC or Z-AIO. Z-PC and Z-AIO provide some abrasives, but not strong. That`s why I included step#3. From there you continue with Z-PC which has more abrasive qualities over Z-AIO. That is what is so powerful with these two additions. You can introduce other manufacturers polishes w/out interfering with Zaino.
In regards to Z-5... Z-5 has no abrasive qualities in the product - NONE. It has some fillers that act to optically disguise very minor swirls, cobwebs. Nevertheless, it`s a great product that induces high gloss.
The quick wash detail example provides a list of products that assume you have a sufficiently good car with paint in good condition and you want to do a quick detail. The secret to Zaino is you have to prep the paint to accept the Zaino product. Anything short of that will yield sub-par results. Without good paint-prep, you will have a high gloss over paint that has defects.
As far as Z-8 vs. Z-CS... well I will leave that to those that have used these two in conjunction. I will guess, Z-8 topped over Z-CS. Right? Over to you beta testers....
Z8 is a spray sealant/QD that can be used to augment a protected finish. Z8 is not astand-alone LSP.
CS is a pure sealant that is a LSP. A stand-alone protectant that can be applied to a "virgin" finish and protect for months.
Example: wash-polish- and apply CS. Over the intervening months one can re-enforce protection, bump-up the "bling" and prolong the CS`s durability by using Z8 after every wash or two.
Hope this helps. :wavey
thanks for clearing that up... so what then is the difference between Z6 and Z8?
Originally Posted by shift_roro
I will use blk2z8conv`s z8 description:
Z8: Z8 is a spray sealant/QD that can be used to augment a protected finish. Z8 is not astand-alone LSP
Z6: Quick detailer with no protective properties.
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Originally Posted by wm tiger
Sorry, but I do not agree with this. I have used clay on brand new cars and gotten some pretty bad stuff out.
Also I think some are misinterpreting the use of ZFX (or I am). As far as I understand ZFX is a catalyst for Z2Pro and Z5Pro....that is it speeds up the curing of those products. I don`t think you ever use ZFX alone. None of the new products will eliminate the option of using ZFX to allow for multiple applications of Z2/Z5Pro. Correct me if I am wrong.
ZFX will be needed for multiple coats of Z2 or Z5 in one session with max being 3 coats.
ZFX will be necessary for initial coat if not using Z1.
ZAIO wil allow 2 coats in one session (ZAIO and Z2 or Z5)
ZFX is not necessary if one is applying one coat over cured CS. I would wait 24 hours after CS application.
Yes, I agree claying can and should be used on any vehicle that has embedded debris. New or Old.
I will be doing some testing later this week using a Zaino carnuaba sandwishing technique.
ZAIO/Z5-ZFX/CS (cured for 24 hrs.)/Zymol (cured for 24 hrs)/CS( cured for 24 hrs)/Z2pro.
Vehicle(Millennium yellow Z06) not driven during these applications.
Initial testing with Z5/Zymol/CS extremely promising so far. No incompatiblity noted.
Right. ZFX is still to be used if you want to add more than one layer of Z2P or Z5P in a day. ZFX doesn`t make Z2/Z5 dry faster, but it makes it cure faster (bond within each layer).Originally Posted by Statman
Eh, I am not seeing the greatness of this if you still have to use ZFX with Z2/Z5 to get descent durability. To get descent durability you would still need the ZFX`d Z2/Z5 topped with CS. I wish CS would be great as a stand-alone and have similiar durability to Z2/Z5 alone. Unless, if, adding CS to Z2/Z5 is sort of like creating 100% more durability.
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