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  1. #466

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    looking forward to trying the CS, I scored some old school Zaino from a member in here to try... looked pretty good, but the process did not get a honest chance, as I appiled it in between the rain bursts here..(couldn`t wait),

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    ok i`m a detailing noob and i admit i haven`t read all 39 pages, but i was interested in going with zaino for my first detail. i`ve been planning on going with ZFX/Z5p, Z6, Z8 in the spring until i saw this thread. here are my questions:



    1) where will ZAIO and Z-CS fit in? in other words, does it replace one or any of those products? or should it be used in addition (and before/after what)?



    2) i`ve seen lots of mention about how proper `surface prep` is essential for maximum results. what exactly is the proper prep procedure?



    3) what is the general consensus on the dawn wash before first application?

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    Dawn wash is not needed, just use a paint cleaner (very mild polish) without any added oils before applying any of zfx, z1. z5 and/or z2...



    Proper surface prep mostly involves the polishing stage. Claying is part of the prep stage, but not necessary for vehicles less than 3 years of age. Depending on the severity of your defects. the longer and more aggressive polishes you`ll need...



    If you have a near swirl free car (not likely), a simple z-aio & a couple layers of z5 is all you`ll need. More likely you`ll need multiple polishes to get the paint in excellent condition. If your paint has seen too many drive-through car washes, you`ll need a series of polishes of differing amounts of aggressiveness.
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    Daily drivers may need either ZFX or ZAIO after 6 months "if" no product was applied in that time frame. After 6 months with zero care (excluding washing) most vehicles will need some sprucing up. Show cars or garage queens can stretch to a one time ZFX/Z1 and / or KAIO application to about year.



    Apply a layer of Z2/5 within the 6 month daily driver usage and ZFX/ZAIO/Z1 is not required but after 8-10 it is recommended that either ZFX, Z1, or ZAIO be applied for maximal results.



    Better yet, just lay a layer of CS if your finish is swirl-free and appearance is holding its own to your satisfaction and start Z2/Z5 if you choose later. This quik step will eliminate previous layer removal and set the foundation for whatever topper you desire. Basically ZFX can be completely eliminated from the system.:bounce



    Since Zaino`s new formulation negates the need to increasingly apply coats to achieve the desired look and normally 2-3 coats is max appearance augmentation. Using something like AIO every 6 months on a DD is quite reasonable to maintain a "show car" appearance and protection on a DD. Of course, if you live in a pollution-free environement these time-frames can be extended.:wavey

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgm121499
    Z-AIO is probably the `least` durable product, but on par with any carnauba that I`ve ever used.



    CS over `bare` paint protects as well as a coat of Z2Pro or Z5Pro.



    1 step up from that.... Z-AIO topped with CS.



    If you top zfx`d Z2Pro or Z5Pro with CS, you`re adding (at a minimum) 50% to durability based on my uses.



    Z-AIO and CS will be incorporated into many of my details this year. It really is an AWESOME combo, and the `look` is right there. I`m surprised that Z-AIO hasn`t been discussed more, because it`s a very impressive product IMO.


    Thanks John! I have done ZAIO on my beater and I think it looks very good, just some CS on a section of the hood. Will see how long it lasts with just QEW or Z7 washes.



    I am detailing a good friends new car this w/e. So 2x of ZFX`d Z5pro, CS and Z8 should look outstanding and give outstanding durability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blkZ28Conv
    ...Better yet, just lay a layer of CS if your finish is swirl-free and appearance is holding its own to your satisfaction and start Z2/Z5 if you choose later. This quik step will eliminate previous layer removal and set the foundation for whatever topper you desire. Basically ZFX can be completely eliminated from the system.:bounce Zaino`s new formulation negates the need to increasingly apply coats to achieve the desired look and normally 2-3 coats is max appearance augmentation.
    All the more reason to want to try their new advanced products! :up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergei
    Ok Thanks Greg. So it looks more like this.



    Here is a possible example of a full detail using Zaino:





    #1 Z7 Wash or your favorite car shampoo

    #2 Z18 Clay or your favorite clay

    --If light swirls skip #3--

    #3 Buff (hand or machine) per your favorite polish

    #4 Final polish stage - use ZPC or your favorite final polish

    #5 Z-AIO (replaces ZFX)

    #6 Z-2 and/or Z-5 **NOTE ZFX unnecessary**

    #7 Z-6 or Z-8 **wait to dry***

    #8 Z-CS



    From what I read, the jury is out on where Z-8 fits here. From those initial beta testers, Z-8 had a harder time setting on top of Z-CS. Right?



    Quick Wash Detail:

    #1 Z7 Wash

    #2 Z-PC or Z-AIO

    #3 Z-CS
    ok i don`t really get #3. first of all, i don`t have a favorite polish since i haven`t used any, but what`s highly recommended around here? second, isn`t Z5p a polish?



    lastly, is Z-CS supposed to be replacing Z-8 or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shift_roro
    ok i don`t really get #3. first of all, i don`t have a favorite polish since i haven`t used any, but what`s highly recommended around here? second, isn`t Z5p a polish?



    lastly, is Z-CS supposed to be replacing Z-8 or what?


    OK, fundamentally these new products (Z-CS and Z-AIO) don`t really replace any of the current line of Zaino products. They serve to augment the current line of products.



    Step #3 in my description was in the context of a full detail. The point being if you have a situation where you have a car with medium to heavy swirls you need a product stronger than Z-PC or Z-AIO. Z-PC and Z-AIO provide some abrasives, but not strong. That`s why I included step#3. From there you continue with Z-PC which has more abrasive qualities over Z-AIO. That is what is so powerful with these two additions. You can introduce other manufacturers polishes w/out interfering with Zaino.



    In regards to Z-5... Z-5 has no abrasive qualities in the product - NONE. It has some fillers that act to optically disguise very minor swirls, cobwebs. Nevertheless, it`s a great product that induces high gloss.



    The quick wash detail example provides a list of products that assume you have a sufficiently good car with paint in good condition and you want to do a quick detail. The secret to Zaino is you have to prep the paint to accept the Zaino product. Anything short of that will yield sub-par results. Without good paint-prep, you will have a high gloss over paint that has defects.



    As far as Z-8 vs. Z-CS... well I will leave that to those that have used these two in conjunction. I will guess, Z-8 topped over Z-CS. Right? Over to you beta testers....

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    Z8 is a spray sealant/QD that can be used to augment a protected finish. Z8 is not astand-alone LSP.



    CS is a pure sealant that is a LSP. A stand-alone protectant that can be applied to a "virgin" finish and protect for months.



    Example: wash-polish- and apply CS. Over the intervening months one can re-enforce protection, bump-up the "bling" and prolong the CS`s durability by using Z8 after every wash or two.



    Hope this helps. :wavey

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    thanks for clearing that up... so what then is the difference between Z6 and Z8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shift_roro
    thanks for clearing that up... so what then is the difference between Z6 and Z8?


    I will use blk2z8conv`s z8 description:



    Z8: Z8 is a spray sealant/QD that can be used to augment a protected finish. Z8 is not astand-alone LSP



    Z6: Quick detailer with no protective properties.



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    Quote Originally Posted by wm tiger
    Claying is part of the prep stage, but not necessary for vehicles less than 3 years of age.


    Sorry, but I do not agree with this. I have used clay on brand new cars and gotten some pretty bad stuff out.



    Also I think some are misinterpreting the use of ZFX (or I am). As far as I understand ZFX is a catalyst for Z2Pro and Z5Pro....that is it speeds up the curing of those products. I don`t think you ever use ZFX alone. None of the new products will eliminate the option of using ZFX to allow for multiple applications of Z2/Z5Pro. Correct me if I am wrong.

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    ZFX will be needed for multiple coats of Z2 or Z5 in one session with max being 3 coats.

    ZFX will be necessary for initial coat if not using Z1.



    ZAIO wil allow 2 coats in one session (ZAIO and Z2 or Z5)



    ZFX is not necessary if one is applying one coat over cured CS. I would wait 24 hours after CS application.



    Yes, I agree claying can and should be used on any vehicle that has embedded debris. New or Old.







    I will be doing some testing later this week using a Zaino carnuaba sandwishing technique.

    ZAIO/Z5-ZFX/CS (cured for 24 hrs.)/Zymol (cured for 24 hrs)/CS( cured for 24 hrs)/Z2pro.



    Vehicle(Millennium yellow Z06) not driven during these applications.



    Initial testing with Z5/Zymol/CS extremely promising so far. No incompatiblity noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statman
    Sorry, but I do not agree with this. I have used clay on brand new cars and gotten some pretty bad stuff out.



    Also I think some are misinterpreting the use of ZFX (or I am). As far as I understand ZFX is a catalyst for Z2Pro and Z5Pro....that is it speeds up the curing of those products. I don`t think you ever use ZFX alone. None of the new products will eliminate the option of using ZFX to allow for multiple applications of Z2/Z5Pro. Correct me if I am wrong.
    Right. ZFX is still to be used if you want to add more than one layer of Z2P or Z5P in a day. ZFX doesn`t make Z2/Z5 dry faster, but it makes it cure faster (bond within each layer).

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    Eh, I am not seeing the greatness of this if you still have to use ZFX with Z2/Z5 to get descent durability. To get descent durability you would still need the ZFX`d Z2/Z5 topped with CS. I wish CS would be great as a stand-alone and have similiar durability to Z2/Z5 alone. Unless, if, adding CS to Z2/Z5 is sort of like creating 100% more durability.

 

 
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