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    Re: Polish/polishers, time to up my game. Letís talk

    Quote Originally Posted by bad penny View Post
    Sounds like gobbledygook. Oscillating orbit = rotation

    The ppl that make claims like this spend very little time behind a buffing wheel is my take from this
    Maybe you know more about Jason Rose and his background than I do.

    Seemed like he was respected in the industry.

    I may not be using the right terminology. The dual action polisher rotates and oscillates. Those two things are not the same thing. I mean it`s in the name "dual action".

    Jason may not be right but I have no reason to doubt him and my credentials don`t come close to his. He is selling stuff so it is possible it is BS.
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    Re: Polish/polishers, time to up my game. Letís talk

    Quote Originally Posted by dwaleke View Post
    Maybe you know more about Jason Rose and his background than I do.

    Seemed like he was respected in the industry.

    I may not be using the right terminology. The dual action polisher rotates and oscillates. Those two things are not the same thing. I mean it`s in the name "dual action".

    Jason may not be right but I have no reason to doubt him and my credentials don`t come close to his. He is selling stuff so it is possible it is BS.

    Orbit means to travel in circles (rotation). It`s right here in the Merriam dictionary.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orbit

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    Re: Polish/polishers, time to up my game. Letís talk

    Quote Originally Posted by nan_wpg View Post
    Iím gonna buy some rupes new da pads. Good for long throw, or forced. Getting 5Ē for now so,they will work with my current machine. Still deciding on what machine.

    Ďíso now the question is what compounds to buy, and what pads, and how many?

    do I need corse and fine compound? Coarse and fine pads? Wool pads? (Rupes brand)

    and Iím still confused. If rotation does the correcting then why sell random? Just sell forced. Rupes says orbit is like 75% or more of,the correcting and rotation isnít as important, BUT very good point about new cars and bodywork gets done with rotary.

    so confusing
    Random orbital (egg shaped) polishers were designed because rotary polishers leave swirl marks and burn paint (easier). Forced rotation machines came around years later because random orbitals weak point are that they stall when too much pressure was applied.

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    Re: Polish/polishers, time to up my game. Letís talk

    Quote Originally Posted by bad penny View Post
    Orbit IS (circular) rotation. If the machine isn`t spinning your not going to get much correction.

    Can you point me to the article where rupes is claiming this?

    i,thought of that tooÖ.. explain,rotary if rotation,isnít neededÖÖ.

    but look,through some of the rupes YouTube,videos, specifically the webinar series. The video ďdifferences between gear driven, random, and rotaryĒ they explain pros and cons.

    i,donít,remember specifics, but,I remember that oscillation provided ďmostĒ of the cut

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    Re: Polish/polishers, time to up my game. Letís talk

    Quote Originally Posted by bad penny View Post
    Sounds like gobbledygook. Oscillating orbit = rotation

    The ppl that make claims like this spend very little time behind a buffing wheel is my take from this
    bad penney --

    Well, perhaps they have lots of experience behind a direct drive machine or not, but now, they are -Selling- this new machine and may even work for the Company..

    To me, the - 70 - years at a minimum, that Rotary Power has been correcting paint, and is Still doing it today at the manufacturing level, says something, no??

    And to think if were not for Porter Cable to make a Sander way, way, back when, where would the random orbital machine for Detailing be today??

    I am glad that all the random orbitals are here so more people can try them out and do their own version of Detailing their vehicles.. The more the merrier !

    Yes, it will take longer to master the Rotary, but it is not impossible, and only if it is used incorrectly does it leave holograms, swirls, etc., in any paintwork..

    If the defects are -Left- in the paintwork, it is the Detailer who chose to ignore they were in the paintwork (and remove them) who is to blame for this, not the machine..

    This little discussion between the two will probably never go away, and I am ok with that too.. It just does not have to be a Contest, like I win, you lose..
    Dan F
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    Re: Polish/polishers, time to up my game. Letís talk

    Quote Originally Posted by nan_wpg View Post
    i,thought of that too….. explain,rotary if rotation,isn’t needed…….

    but look,through some of the rupes YouTube,videos, specifically the webinar series. The video “differences between gear driven, random, and rotary” they explain pros and cons.

    i,don’t,remember specifics, but,I remember that oscillation provided “most” of the cut
    Oscillation -
    noun
    1.
    movement back and forth at a regular speed.
    "the natural oscillation of a spring"

    I have not seen that Webinar.. But you have to just remember that if it is sponsored by people who do NOT make Rotary machines, well, then who would they be rooting for ?

    It is All good !
    Dan F

 

 
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