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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Quote Originally Posted by wannafbody View Post
    I used a foam applicator for the Wolfgang spray coating and it didn`t stiffen the foam at all. I have to wonder if a coating that`s so stiff on mf isn`t flexible enough to expand and contract in real world conditions.
    It doesn`t really matter. The layer of a coating goes on so thin. I was just curious if the applicator hardened at all as graphene coatings are being mentioned to be softer that some SiO2 coatings. But budget is right about the hardening applicator of a spray coating. Most are not that durable compared to something like CanCoat.
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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    A little bit from Alfred Yow, the mind behind Art d` Shine and SPS Graphene coatings. Most of the Social Media posts I`ve seen with Graphene coatings tout the excellent water behavior and beading which (I think) he indicates that graphene has nothing to do with.

    To add on some answers to the article on Graphene,

    The polymer used in Artdeshine`s product, PDMS has very low thermal conductivity, absorbing less heat when exposed. And if heat has been absorbed, the better dissipation and thermal conductivity ability of reduced Graphene Oxide (rGO) will help to negate. What we do not want is all that heat absorbed to be trapped. To say it simply, this is a case of using rGO to reduce the insulation (keeping heat) properties of PDMS.

    Artdeshine has never touted using flames in any of our tests or marketing materials. This serves no purpose to demonstrate any capability of our coatings. We are not making fire-proof/retardant materials. And again, we are not touting thermal insulation as a beneficial property, we are trying to negate insulation.

    Water repellent capabilities do not come from the use of rGO and can be seen in our marketing materials and information. A very high polymer (PDMS) content is used to achieve the better water-repellent effects. The polymer has been functionalized to provide much better water repellent capabilities.
    Kinda sounds like the Graphene component is in there as a `possible helper` to the PDMS, something found in many coatings, no?
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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    I`ve never had anything that came outta a spray bottle (besides Gyeon CanCoat) stiffen an applicator or a towel. Do notice the towels I use for stuff like Overcoat, Cosmic Spritz and such become a bit hydrophobic of the course of a `season` but that`s about it.

    As for coatings stiffening applicators, some do and some don`t; Kami Miyabi = Stiff, Kami ISM & Zipang...not so much. :shrug:

    I really don`t pay much attention anymore, never considered the hardening of an applicator to be much of an indication of how a coating performs.
    Add CSL to list it did stiffen
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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Heat breaks down a wax , sealant or coating over time. Dissipating the heat probably prolongs it`s life.

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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Found some interesting back and forth in some Facebook coating group









    Barry Theal’s comments







    Here is an interesting comment from Adams on the hardness of their coatings. Their graphene ceramic coating sounds indestructible. Gotta love marketing

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