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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Quote Originally Posted by wannafbody View Post
    I used a foam applicator for the Wolfgang spray coating and it didn`t stiffen the foam at all. I have to wonder if a coating that`s so stiff on mf isn`t flexible enough to expand and contract in real world conditions.
    It doesn`t really matter. The layer of a coating goes on so thin. I was just curious if the applicator hardened at all as graphene coatings are being mentioned to be softer that some SiO2 coatings. But budget is right about the hardening applicator of a spray coating. Most are not that durable compared to something like CanCoat.
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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    A little bit from Alfred Yow, the mind behind Art d` Shine and SPS Graphene coatings. Most of the Social Media posts I`ve seen with Graphene coatings tout the excellent water behavior and beading which (I think) he indicates that graphene has nothing to do with.

    To add on some answers to the article on Graphene,

    The polymer used in Artdeshine`s product, PDMS has very low thermal conductivity, absorbing less heat when exposed. And if heat has been absorbed, the better dissipation and thermal conductivity ability of reduced Graphene Oxide (rGO) will help to negate. What we do not want is all that heat absorbed to be trapped. To say it simply, this is a case of using rGO to reduce the insulation (keeping heat) properties of PDMS.

    Artdeshine has never touted using flames in any of our tests or marketing materials. This serves no purpose to demonstrate any capability of our coatings. We are not making fire-proof/retardant materials. And again, we are not touting thermal insulation as a beneficial property, we are trying to negate insulation.

    Water repellent capabilities do not come from the use of rGO and can be seen in our marketing materials and information. A very high polymer (PDMS) content is used to achieve the better water-repellent effects. The polymer has been functionalized to provide much better water repellent capabilities.
    Kinda sounds like the Graphene component is in there as a `possible helper` to the PDMS, something found in many coatings, no?
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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    I`ve never had anything that came outta a spray bottle (besides Gyeon CanCoat) stiffen an applicator or a towel. Do notice the towels I use for stuff like Overcoat, Cosmic Spritz and such become a bit hydrophobic of the course of a `season` but that`s about it.

    As for coatings stiffening applicators, some do and some don`t; Kami Miyabi = Stiff, Kami ISM & Zipang...not so much. :shrug:

    I really don`t pay much attention anymore, never considered the hardening of an applicator to be much of an indication of how a coating performs.
    Add CSL to list it did stiffen
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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Heat breaks down a wax , sealant or coating over time. Dissipating the heat probably prolongs it`s life.

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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Found some interesting back and forth in some Facebook coating group









    Barry Theal’s comments







    Here is an interesting comment from Adams on the hardness of their coatings. Their graphene ceramic coating sounds indestructible. Gotta love marketing

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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

    Where has all the graphene hype gone? Is it just me or has it slowed down a bit lately.

    Last I read is that Adams has mentioned their graphene ceramic coating is now rated at 10H. Wow that is just super impressive marketing. Sounds indestructible




    In other news. I shared my water spotting issue with SPS in this thread with regards to water spotting a month after application.

    When I posted that video, Ethos came in on the video comments and had commented on how they solved that issue but later stated that there is 80% less chance to water spotting. They also mentioned if I was open to try the coating and I said sure and provided my email. I knew it wouldn’t happen but I just played along.

    Around Wednesday of this week a new subscriber asked if Ethos ever came through which I responded a no and mention how I was turned off by the company. Ethos (Tim) chimed in and gave the BS answer in the snapshot. Good thing I took a snapshot of the response.

    I checked back Thursday and every single comment Ethos had made along with the comments of supporters for their product were removed. I had mentioned that Ethos comes off shady to me in their business practice within this thread or another and to me this behavior does not look good in my eye.

    Showed me their true colors in really trying to use my video to promote their product and sales and I was having none of it lol. Hit the bigger channels if you want a favorable review.

    Thought it was odd behavior. Tim seems like a nice guy but he comes off as super defensive of their product which is fine as it’s his passion. But their main concern is sales.

    FYI ethos has introduced an Sio2 coating. Thought graphene was the future

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    Re: Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

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    Where has all the graphene hype gone? Is it just me or has it slowed down a bit lately.
    It will be interesting to see if it re-ignites again or mfg`s will play the waiting game for a bit after the skepticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Guz View Post
    Last I read is that Adams has mentioned their graphene ceramic coating is now rated at 10H. Wow that is just super impressive marketing. Sounds indestructible
    Atomic Graphene infusion, perhaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Guz View Post
    In other news. I shared my water spotting issue with SPS in this thread with regards to water spotting a month after application.

    When I posted that video, Ethos came in on the video comments and had commented on how they solved that issue but later stated that there is 80% less chance to water spotting. They also mentioned if I was open to try the coating and I said sure and provided my email. I knew it wouldn’t happen but I just played along.

    Around Wednesday of this week a new subscriber asked if Ethos ever came through which I responded a no and mention how I was turned off by the company. Ethos (Tim) chimed in and gave the BS answer in the snapshot. Good thing I took a snapshot of the response.

    I checked back Thursday and every single comment Ethos had made along with the comments of supporters for their product were removed. I had mentioned that Ethos comes off shady to me in their business practice within this thread or another and to me this behavior does not look good in my eye.

    Showed me their true colors in really trying to use my video to promote their product and sales and I was having none of it lol. Hit the bigger channels if you want a favorable review.

    Thought it was odd behavior. Tim seems like a nice guy but he comes off as super defensive of their product which is fine as it’s his passion. But their main concern is sales.
    Not at all surprising.

    Some who have used it so far are pleased (regardless of Graphene) but the persistent appearances are a bit much. Saw `em pop up in another video comments section last week...getting all Topcoat-ish in their marketing. Ain`t nobody gonna like that.

    Heck, I`d give Topcoat F11 a try if it meant I would stop seeing the ads everywhere. Who knows, maybe it`s not a bad product? But I`ll never know (not that *that* would impact them in any way ) cuz ya over-did it.
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