Mckees Si02 wash: first use review and observations

[RaydiantDetail]

Heh heh, then maybe you won`t mind my belaboring it a bit more


Not that I`m gonna try changing what I`m doing just to find out about this stuff either!


I find the foam pre-soak hardly does *ANY* functional cleaning/dirt loosening and I only do it to get some extra lubrication mixed in with the dirt and maybe soften that dirt up a bit. I figure any suds/foam just keep it from running off the panels and thus increase its dwell-time, but don`t do any significant cleaning.

I agree with you on that but I feel like during the dwell/ rinse off process you have that lubrication on the panel so you are potentially not causing marring when taking the pressure washer to a dry surface and potentially loose dirt/ debris is flying across the paint with no lubrication? I definitely have not used any snow foam soap that makes any significant dent in traffic film which I find to be the biggest pain especially on white cars where its baked on for months.

[512detail]

Heh heh, then maybe you won`t mind my belaboring it a bit more


Not that I`m gonna try changing what I`m doing just to find out about this stuff either!


I find the foam pre-soak hardly does *ANY* functional cleaning/dirt loosening and I only do it to get some extra lubrication mixed in with the dirt and maybe soften that dirt up a bit. I figure any suds/foam just keep it from running off the panels and thus increase its dwell-time, but don`t do any significant cleaning.

If the foam encapsulates any dirt and washes it down the panel, is that not a degree of functional cleaning?

I guess we`d have to operationally define `functional cleaning` in that case.

[Rsurfer]

thanks

ask and you shall receive

https://www.autopia.org/forums/detailing-product-reviews/188303-ultimate-ultimate-soap-torture-test.html?highlight=torture+test

https://www.autopia.org/forums/detailing-product-reviews/188294-ultimate-torture-test.html?highlight=torture+test

I`ve seen those reviews by Ron. He let the soap dry and then rinsed with no spotting. What I want to see is, after the rinse, let the rinse water dry and see if it spots..especially on the horizontal panels. If it doesn`t spot, I`m in for a gallon or two.

[512detail]

I`ve seen those reviews by Ron. He let the soap dry and then rinsed with no spotting. What I want to see is, after the rinse, let the rinse water dry and see if it spots..especially on the horizontal panels. If it doesn`t spot, I`m in for a gallon or two.

but what does that prove? the ph level or calcium level of the rinse water? id imagine the rinse water would spot

I don`t think Ben is marketing this to work in that manner...

take my car for instance... it sits outside when I work on other people`s cars, it rains on it, I don`t touch it...it water spots...but they wash right off and then I dry the car, so while my car has more protection on it than a bus full of Nuns, it will still water spot because, well.. water...spots.

use DI water to rinse it and that shouldn`t spot

[512detail]

at the point of testing whether the rinse water spots or not, I feel that would be more of a test of what LSP you have on the car and have essentially nothing to do with this soap considering you would have already rinsed the soap off the surface

[Accumulator]

If the foam encapsulates any dirt and washes it down the panel, is that not a degree of functional cleaning?

Yes indeed

I just wonder if it does that to an extent that`s better than it just sitting there dwelling. And IMO we`d have to weigh that against any potential downsides from having "more air, less shampoo/water solution" in use.

I guess we`d have to operationally define `functional cleaning` in that case.

I think we`re on the same page there...just considering the pros/cons of the various elements from differing viewpoints. And, heh heh..I`d be mighty surprised if we were somehow able to determine which of us is right! IMO it`s just one of those topics were we`ll wonder about it and/but continue doing what works for us

I`m never gonna have anything truly valid come to light since by the time I pressure wash everything *looks* clean anyhow...long before I`ve ever reached for the shampoo.

Still find it an interesting discussion though...

[Accumulator]

Over at the Crown Vic forums, somebody was asking about the "wash in sun" and I suggested they check out Autopia....hope they did as it sounds like there are some real developments in shampoos in this regard.

[Rsurfer]

but what does that prove? the ph level or calcium level of the rinse water? id imagine the rinse water would spot

I don`t think Ben is marketing this to work in that manner...

take my car for instance... it sits outside when I work on other people`s cars, it rains on it, I don`t touch it...it water spots...but they wash right off and then I dry the car, so while my car has more protection on it than a bus full of Nuns, it will still water spot because, well.. water...spots.

use DI water to rinse it and that shouldn`t spot

The point being, that sometimes when washing in the sun, you don`t get to some panels before they dry and you end up with water spots. Granted a well waxed/sealed/coated car can be removed easily.
Just wondering if enough of the SIO2 wash solution is left behind to keep the paint from spotting.

[512detail]

The point being, that sometimes when washing in the sun, you don`t get to some panels before they dry and you end up with water spots. Granted a well waxed/sealed/coated car can be removed easily.
Just wondering if enough of the SIO2 wash solution is left behind to keep the paint from spotting.

I see what you`re saying and I think if you didn`t have a coated vehicle and you used this soap you could probably end up with some water spots if you left water on your vehicle. Possibly even typeI spots.

It`s marketed as a coating shampoo so I`d figure that if you had a coated vehicle and even let the rinse water dry, it would leave a spot but not an etching spot, if that makes any sense.

When I blow dry my car, some of the panels do dry before I get to them but its nothing some spray and wipe or sprayduster doesn`t clean up just fine.

While I like that this soap could be used in the sun I also don`t like the logistics of drying a car after the rinse stage in the sun, which I guess is kind of your concern here.

[Rsurfer]

I see what you`re saying and I think if you didn`t have a coated vehicle and you used this soap you could probably end up with some water spots if you left water on your vehicle. Possibly even typeI spots.

It`s marketed as a coating shampoo so I`d figure that if you had a coated vehicle and even let the rinse water dry, it would leave a spot but not an etching spot, if that makes any sense.

When I blow dry my car, some of the panels do dry before I get to them but its nothing some spray and wipe or sprayduster doesn`t clean up just fine.

While I like that this soap could be used in the sun I also don`t like the logistics of drying a car after the rinse stage in the sun, which I guess is kind of your concern here.

You got it right. Still hoping someone that has the SIO2 Wash could do that test. Maybe on a well maintained and not so maintained car.