First experience dent and paint repair. Need help

[kazaroza90]

Hello everyone. And that`s what I got from previous owner of car, not very big dent that start to destroy paint and rust came on it, so I`m pretty upset and understand that should do something with it.
So here is picture of the dent (it`s clickable to see in zoom)


Zoom version of photo #1 CLICK HERE


Zoom version of photo #2CLICK HERE



And here is that I wished to know:

1.How to remove dent ? DIY only, I saw a lot of kits on amazon but don`t trust without any reference of specialist.
2. Remove rust ? What kind of sanding I need ?
3.What kind of paintcorrection is better for price/quality.( duplicolor or something else) I know that it`s better to repaint whole part but It would cost me a lot. So any suggestion would be appreciated from my side.

[ca.detailchick]

Im sorry to say this is really not a do it yourself project and takes some skill and
expertise to do it right or most likely will come out looking very bad.

You definetely need to paint the whole panel to have it look like a professional job and have the paint last.

Save your money and do it right would be my advice.

[GearHead_1]

Got to say the best advice is exactly what DC has given you. Unless you are a body man you`ll likely be disappointed with any self repair in this instance.

[kazaroza90]

Okay. Thank you anyway for your respond. It`s made me a little bit upset. As I like to fix any problem on my car by myself start from engine to electric problem. So first estimation gave me result in 400-600$
I investigated that I could try to do that with stud gun (100$). So anybody has an experience with it ? Is it really could help me.
I`m so frustrated with it. small dent 2 inches max and so big headache.

[ca.detailchick]

Im sorry that upset you to hear that .I was really trying to save you more headache beleive me!

As an alternative why dont you see if that can repaired by a paintless dent guy and then sand and touch up the rust spot yourself.

Might even be cheaper in the long run!

[kazaroza90]

But thank you for your warm respond. Will trying to figure out this question on some profesional forum, so to know if could be done with paintless technology like this:

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2. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Paintless-Dent-Repair-Damage-Pulling/dp/B0031TFXLS/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&qid=1338266767&sr=8-23"] Paintless-Dent-Repair-Damage-Pulling[/ame]
[BR]
But just wished to know first if such kind of dents can`t be pulled back with some of devices. And if you a professional in PDR tell me which direction I should move. I`m confused, it`s much harder than polishing and buffing

[ca.detailchick]

But thank you for your warm respond. Will trying to figure out this question on some profesional forum, so to know if could be done with paintless technology like this:

1. Hail-Repair-Kit-Paintless-Den

2. Paintless-Dent-Repair-Damage-Pulling
[BR]
But just wished to know first if such kind of dents can`t be pulled back with some of devices. And if you a professional in PDR tell me which direction I should move. I`m confused, it`s much harder than polishing and buffing

Ive never done any paintless dent repairs but know a couple guys that do it professionally. Once again it take some skill and experience to do these repairs from what I understand.

You could probably find more specific forums to help you. We mostly have detailing knowledge here.

Good luck whatever you decide to do!

[Orinda Auto Detail]

PDR on that would be next to impossible from the pics. Thats a very sharp dent and it crosses that line in the wheel well. Usually the metal is over lapped there so it`ll be next to impossible to get it straight with out using some sort of a filler after you knock it out as much as possible. If you call a PDR guy to look at it for you and they don`t think they can get it 98% they usually wont touch it. Maybe go to a dealer and ask for the number of their touch up guy. There are some really good one`s out there that do body and paint work for half of body shop rates. Just know it`s a "touch up" guy and they almost always paint out side so usually you`ll have to wet sand and polish their work after the paint cures or live with the dust. Good luck!

[opie_7afe]

i highly disagree jsmooth, that is not an overly sharp crease, its just a mild crease with some stretched metal, ive seen way worse get fixed to 100% using PDR. PDR is not something a diy`er can do, just like polishing paint its an art form, just like detailers some will make the finish worse, some make it better...just call a pdr guy be around 150-200$ then repair the rust yourself as it looks to be only surface, may have some pitting however so you need to remove all traces of rust.

[Concours.John]

One nice thing about PDR is when the dent is out it is out. Just taking it to a shop may result in the dent being hammered out and filled.

If you decide after PDR you don`t want to take it on; the panel can be
Painted and you know it`s not full of filler.

Find a PDR guy with MAJOR hail damage experience. They have more knowledge on sharper hits on body lines.

The (good) techs here were doing 1-3k hail hits ranging up to baseball size all with PDR recently.

[kazaroza90]

THAT`S THE ANSWER I GOT FROM ONE REALLY GUY WHO SAY TOO ME THAT`S IT`S VERY EASY TO FIX :

Quote:
Originally Posted by kazaroza90
Oh. I really don`t want to screw something in body of the car. Could I`ll do that with stud gun, that I could by from Harbor Freight. .... So I`m asking some people with experience how they would do if they wished to fix it.
And how not to paint whole part. Thank you

OK, get a stud gun I was just giving you a CHEAP option (Which I have used MANY times, without issue). You are gonna need to use bondo; and the screw holes help keep Bondo in place. Tho I would use a stud gun if I had one, and I often use my spot welder with a tab.

This is really quite a simple repair (unless you want it PERFECT). If so you have one choice... replace and repaint panel. If that is not your desire, there are many options for fixing the crease / dent some very cheap, some very spendy. Most professional painters are gonna want to paint the whole panel (with quick clear coat finish... they get paid for selling more hours than they work). There are many ways to spot and blend, especially on such a light color.

You could likely have this fixed by the time you solicit much more comment. There are lots of EZ tutorials on youtube. For such a small dent... I would probably not buy anything (but filler, wet/dry sand paper, primer, and paint, just use a piece of plywood as long as sanding sheet to float in the patch. spot prime and sand a for times till you get it flat. Learn to feather your paint and sand / buff it into original finish

[GearHead_1]

You can obviously get as many answers for this question as the number of people that you ask. I didn`t mention this earlier and I stand by what I initially said. I`ve painted and restored many vehicles from the sheet metal up. I have the tools and the know how. Though I was never officially a body and paint guy, meaning I didn`t make my living as such, I am an ASE Certified Master Automotive Technician. I can turn out a finished product that rivals the best. It just takes me a bit longer and no doubt I use more materials.

Back in the day, I`ve used a drill, screws and slide hammer and later welded stud setups to pull dents and repair creases. Your problem with this repair is as you suspect, the dent being on the corner. The rust compounds the problem. Unless you have paint and body experience this just isn`t a home garage job. I would be happy for you to make a liar out of me. The painting and blending can be done a number of ways but I wouldn`t recommend a rattle can or pressurized bottle. You already know that you can order a rattle an with your car`s paint code or have a supplier mix your color and use a pressurized bottle. Either of these two methods will never completely match and will require blending. If your paint is a two stage paint you`ll have to shoot the clear as well or the paint will look horrible as it ages. This job deserves a paint gun, a spotlessly clean environment and someone that knows how to cut paint.

My initial statement stands. If you love your car, I believe you will be disappointed with the repair done in the driveway. If you don`t love your car quite so much by all means, pull, block and fill away. Just don`t kid yourself into thinking that no one will notice. The guy on a galloping horse from the street might miss it but anyone looking at your car will wonder what happened.

[jacoboram]

One nice thing about PDR is when the dent is out it is out. Just taking it to a shop may result in the dent being hammered out and filled.

If you decide after PDR you don`t want to take it on; the panel can be
Painted and you know it`s not full of filler.

Find a PDR guy with MAJOR hail damage experience. They have more knowledge on sharper hits on body lines.

The (good) techs here were doing 1-3k hail hits ranging up to baseball size all with PDR recently.

I totally agree with you, Thank you for this appreciated reply.