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    I searched the forum, then searched again.



    My question is:



    Is Meguiar`s #16 a PURE WAX? And #26?



    I found conflicting results in this forum (and a few others). Some posts say that #16 is pure, some call it "low solvent". And then the debate over #26. It`s "pure", but some say it has added polymers or something along those lines.



    I have a clayed, cleaned, polished, AIO`d, SG`d, #16`d car in the driveway and want to add a few layers of #16 or even #26, but only if it isn`t a fruitless effort. As this obsession grows, I want to nurture it with facts.



    Any input?

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    #16 is a pure wax. It`d only a fruitless effort if it had cleaning agents. I also think more than 2 layers is a waste of time, energy, and product.



    Not sure about #26.

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    What TW85 HHI said, except that I`ll do more layers of #16, waiting maybe a week or more between them. And doing a spit-shine (with either water or Griot`s Speed Shine) seems to add something to subsequent applications too. My wife didn`t much like the look of #16 on her car until after the third application, which I did with the Cyclo and the spit-shine w/Speed Shine. Definitely a difference, she thought it was a very dramatic improvement and now she likes how it looks. Good thing I didn`t stop after two coats or I would`ve ended up completely redoing the car with her previous favorite wax!



    Havn`t used #26 in a *long* time, but it oughta act about the same way, but will usually give a "darker/richer" look.



    Don`t worry about a wax containing "polymers", just watch for "cleaners". Most "pure waxes" contain a blend of different things, some natural, some synthetic. And they all have solvents of some kind, its seldom something to worry about.

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    If what you mean by "pure wax" is "a wax with no cleaners", then yes, both #26 and #16 are pure waxes. I`d guess that otherwise, both of them have some natural organic content, some natural mineral content, and some synthetic content.





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    My understanding was that #16 was the pure wax and #26 was a blend of polymers and carnauba.

    One thing I can say is that I`ve used both and was happy with each of them. My feeling is that #16 was more like the old style waxes from the 50`s and 60`s that had much more durablity.
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    From their MSDS info:

    #16 - Polymer Wax Blend 15-30%, Trade Secret Conditioners 2-10%

    #26 - Polymer Blend 5-10%, Calcined Kaolin Clay plus several other synthetics at 1-5%



    So both contain synthetics but #16 incorporates natural Carnauba into the wax emulsion. It is an old-style wax. #26 is a much more complex formula.



    Both are "pure" waxes in that they contain no cleaners. Neither is "pure" with the meaning of being all natural.

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    A pure wax is a wax that has no cleaners or cleaning agents.Pure wax only has cutting agents.

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    A pure wax is a wax that has no cleaners or cleaning agents.Pure wax only has cutting agents.



    "cutting agents" means a solvent carrier system?
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    Can you define "cutting agents"? Aren`t cutting agents abrasive?

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    OK I`ve had my third cup of coffee. Carnauba wax is very hard in its natural state and requires solvent or oil to soften (cut) it
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    I have often described a "pure wax" as any wax that does not contain agents that clean or polish the paint. Klasse AIO is a cleaner wax, whereas Klasse SG is not.



    This distinction between cleaner wax and pure wax brings with it confusion over layerability. There are many waxes and sealants that qualify as a "pure wax", but don`t layer. This generally has to do with the volume and type of solvents used in the wax blend.



    In a Carnauba wax, the volume and type of "mineral spirit" is typically the factor that determines if a wax will layer on or remove previous coats of the wax or other products. In most cases, a Carnauba wax that does not contain polymer bonding agents will not be able to hang tough with an additional application.

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    AHA! It`s all clear now. Thanks so much for all the responses!

    • A wax which does not contain cleaning or polishing agents is a pure wax (and can contain solvents and/or polymer bonding agents)
    • A pure wax which does not contain solvents (and also does not contain cleaning or polishing agents) is somewhat layerable
    • A pure wax which contains polymer bonding agents (and also contains no cleaning or polishing agents and no solvents) is layerable to a greater extent. (this would be considered a synthetic wax?)
    • A cleaner wax[/b] contains cleaning and polishing agents and is never layerable, regardless of solvents (or lack thereof), or polymer bonding agents (or again, lack thereof).


    Iside a wax:

    • Cleaning and polishing agents do just that, taking any previous application of wax with them
    • Solvents soften the wax to make it more workable (along with softening up previously applied layers, and limiting the ability to layer)
    • Polymer bonding agents add strength and resiliance to the wax, making it more resistant to subsequent applications, and therefore layerable.




    *Also, a polymer bnonding agent would be a type of "mineral spirit"? Are there other types of mineral spirits (maybe acrylic resin) that affect the ability to add subsequent layers of wax?



    There is a tonne of information in this forum, and it`s all great. I just want to make sure that I`ve processed it correctly.



    I apologize if I have exceeded my question quota for the week, but this is an area many people seem to have issues with, might be nice to have it all laid out.

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    *Also, a polymer bnonding agent would be a type of "mineral spirit"? Are there other types of mineral spirits (maybe acrylic resin) that affect the ability to add subsequent layers of wax?


    No, Mineral Spirits is a type of solvent. You can go to a paint store and see one gallon cans of Mineral Spirits. "Polymer Bonding Agents" and acrylic resins are not mineral spirits.

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    There isn`t a carnauba wax around that does not contain solvents. Are you saying all carnauba waxes have a limited layering ability?

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    ~One manâ€â„¢s opinion / observations~



    Are you saying all carnauba waxes have a limited layering ability?Yes



    Layering:

    By applying another product on top of one that has already cross-linked you can increase its density (up to a point) the thin film of product that`s applied isn`t really another layer. Two to four cross-linked (cured) applications are usually considered optimum



    Solvents provide a lubricant and aid the adherence process by working their way into the microscopic gaps and valleys of the previous `layer` softening it, providing each subsequent applications carrying agent (solvent, oils silicones or emulsion) are not so concentrated that they degrade or remove (as in the case of a cleaner wax) what has been previously applied.



    Also be aware that the both the product and the foam pad may be non-abrasive, but application pressure if not kept to an absolute minimum and using use a very light and even pressure, may re-introduce surface marring and/or removal of the previously applied product.



    ~Hope this helps~



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