How can you tell if a product doesnt cross link? Example

**imported_DetailGirl** · 10-27-2004, 09:09 PM

I want to put Klasse SG over my two coats of UPP. How would I be able to tell if it did not bond to it? I want to experiment but I do not know how I would be able to tell if a product didnt bond to another.

Thanks!

**vdog0531** · 10-27-2004, 10:11 PM

hhmm.. that is a good question. sorry that i don`t have the answer but i really am interested too

Vernon

**White95Max** · 10-27-2004, 10:15 PM

When I first detailed my car, I put the products on in the wrong order...I used EX-P on top of Paste Glaz. You could tell it didn`t bond right, cuz the paint was a bit hazy, not smooth at all, and didn`t even bead well.

It was obvious that something was wrong and then I realized that the carnauba is supposed to go on top of the sealant! So the next day I redid everything.

**Corey Bit Spank** · 10-27-2004, 10:18 PM

Probably won`t be very durable. dunno

**imported_DetailGirl** · 10-27-2004, 10:25 PM

NE 1 else.

**Scottwax** · 10-27-2004, 10:49 PM

Hard to say since UPP has been reasonably durable for me, so even if SG didn`t bond, I`m not sure if that would horribly affect durability.

I would think that since UPP is somewhat oily, that it would work better over SG than under it.

**MattZ28** · 10-27-2004, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by White95Max

When I first detailed my car, I put the products on in the wrong order...I used EX-P on top of Paste Glaz. You could tell it didn`t bond right, cuz the paint was a bit hazy, not smooth at all, and didn`t even bead well.

It was obvious that something was wrong and then I realized that the carnauba is supposed to go on top of the sealant! So the next day I redid everything.

EX-P doesn`t bead, it sheets.

**imported_memnuts** · 10-28-2004, 05:51 AM

I agree with Scott and Corey on both points. I always start with the oil-free product (Zaino and Klasse) as the base.

**imported_DetailGirl** · 10-28-2004, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by blkZ28Conv

I agree with Scott and Corey on both points. I always start with the oil-free product (Zaino and Klasse) as the base.

But I was told that you can go in between with SG and UPP as you want.

**Bill D** · 10-28-2004, 10:23 AM

Maybe some from for 4 Star/Premium Auto Care can say for sure

**togwt** · 10-28-2004, 11:36 AM

Quote: I want to put Klasse SG over my two coats of UPP. How would I be able to tell if it did not bond to it? I want to experiment but I do not know how I would be able to tell if a product didnÃƒ¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã¢â€ž¢t bond to another.

These are the two things I know will affect the bonding of a polymer

The presence of oil may inhibit the cross-linking process of a polymer or linking together of the chains (monomers or building blocks) to form a Ãƒ¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã‹Å“structureÃƒ¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã¢â€ž¢ by acting as a barrier and will compromise its strength, durability, drying time, and bonding.

Be sure that the surface of the vehicle can be left undisturbed from rain and water) until the polymer has cross-linked or the surface protection may be compromised.

~Hope this helps~

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**imported_Aurora40** · 10-29-2004, 10:57 AM

What are you looking to get out of SG over UPP? A different look? A different surface characteristic? More durability?

Why not just do it and see what happens? Does the different look last? Does the surface characteristic of SG remain? Does the whole combo protect your paint for a while?