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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    I haven`t owned soap in years.

    If the vehicle is gross I pre spray with Power Clean 3:1, power wash the daylights out of it, and use a rinseless to finish. At the shop where I work a couple days a week I`ll use Megs Hyper Wash, or Reset, but the owner told me to give him a list of the stuff I use, and to utilize my process there.

    I do not see myself ever using traditional soap ever again, well, until I buy or build a tunnel wash - again.

    The cars in the family get washed a couple times a week. Usually ONR 256:1. Seems to work better if I slightly under use the concentrate. I currently have Optimum Car Wax on all of them.

    It took a long time for me to give rinseless a fair shot. I didn`t want to like it, but ended becoming an integral part of my process.
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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    I get marring in the winter when itís on there heavy I trying to not wash a lot in winter. A touch less here or there wash bay but I get some lite swirling when I use the waterless washes. My choice for rinseless is feynlab which is slick, does not get beaded up by a coating and has by a long shot good cleaning power not sure if itís encapsulating or just break the gunks attachment to the paint I have seen the least amount of swirls using this. 2nd choice is mckees has next best cleaning power but beads up on coated cars when sprayed which I think leads to more swirling 3rd is ONR because I have over 1 gallon and have to use it up.

    I got huge streaking problems from ech2O because I mix strong so that was user error.

    I like pre rinsing with hose then waterless itís like a lazy version of car washing who doesnít like a quickie.
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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    This was a good little thread enjoyed reading some of the comments folks!
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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    I think most know Iím a fan of Ammo Frothe and feel itís the safest way to wash w/o bucket and hose.

    That being said Larry shows himself in the Frothe video cleaning some pretty dirty winter cars.

    He does this to show how to winter wash.

    If you watch some of his other videoís he absolutely stateís that this is when you canít bucket wash. He says their is no better wash than using soap and a hose due to the amount of lubricant used and Frothe should not be used as a substitute but when you canít access a hose.

    Mike Phillips has said he doesnít use rinseless and Iíve only seen him use them and waterless in reviews.

    Except when heís doing a prep wash heíll do a waterless with Sonax glass cleaner.

    If they were better then I believe these two proís would use rinseless/waterless instead and they donít.

    I use due to ease and i do them more often so car is not as dirty.


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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    Well one main reason Mike Phillips does waterless is because he doesn’t want to flood older vehicles with water that could exacerbate or contribute to rusting.
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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    Quote Originally Posted by dgage View Post
    Well one main reason Mike Phillips does waterless is because he doesn’t want to flood older vehicles with water that could exacerbate or contribute to rusting.
    He also does that because he`s going to do a polishing session afterward. He isn`t doing maintenance washes very often.
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    Thatís sand. Not touching that with anything until itís rinsed off with lots of water. There isnít a polymer in the world that is going to wrap up those nuggets.
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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    I live on a road where they put gravel down in the winter. Each car going down the road grinds it up into fine abrasive dust that lands on the cars. I trust a hose wash over a rinseless until they clean the road.

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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    Quote Originally Posted by William_Wallace View Post
    Does anyone actually mix there rinseless as directed? I was always too scared seemed like it need more product?
    I missed this previously....

    Yeah, *kinda* do it as-directed: I mix my IUDJ at the specified QD-strength. BUT...I use it that way for everything, so maybe I`m "overdoing" the mix same as you...but better safe than sorry, huh?

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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    I`m not "fluent" in rinseless washing. I gave it a whirl when optimum first came out with ONR. I like the product and keep it on hand for cleaning door jams, bird poo, clay lube, but I find doing a whole wash with it is more effort for me than an old fashion bucket/soap wash. I guess I haven`t perfected the procedure enough to stick with it. Plus my driveway is a long gravel road, so I was never comfortable with a rinseless wash on heavily dusted paint.
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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    Quote Originally Posted by William_Wallace View Post
    I get marring in the winter when itís on there heavy I trying to not wash a lot in winter. A touch less here or there wash bay but I get some lite swirling when I use the waterless washes. My choice for rinseless is feynlab which is slick, does not get beaded up by a coating and has by a long shot good cleaning power not sure if itís encapsulating or just break the gunks attachment to the paint I have seen the least amount of swirls using this. 2nd choice is mckees has next best cleaning power but beads up on coated cars when sprayed which I think leads to more swirling 3rd is ONR because I have over 1 gallon and have to use it up.
    Great point I`m always bothered when a shampoo or rinseless beads up on the paint. If it`s beading it ain`t cleaning.

    Quote Originally Posted by William_Wallace View Post
    I like pre rinsing with hose then waterless itís like a lazy version of car washing who doesnít like a quickie.
    I saw Larry Kosilla does this too calls it his "quick wash." I think it`s smart.

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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    Quote Originally Posted by danlc95 View Post
    I haven`t owned soap in years.

    If the vehicle is gross I pre spray with Power Clean 3:1, power wash the daylights out of it, and use a rinseless to finish. At the shop where I work a couple days a week I`ll use Megs Hyper Wash, or Reset, but the owner told me to give him a list of the stuff I use, and to utilize my process there.

    I do not see myself ever using traditional soap ever again, well, until I buy or build a tunnel wash - again.

    The cars in the family get washed a couple times a week. Usually ONR 256:1. Seems to work better if I slightly under use the concentrate. I currently have Optimum Car Wax on all of them.

    It took a long time for me to give rinseless a fair shot. I didn`t want to like it, but ended becoming an integral part of my process.
    I follow a process similar to this although I will pre spray with ONR if the vehicle is lightly dirty. In the winter, I use more aggressive tactics like Power Clean.

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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    How do RW users clean their undercarriages?

    Sure, I can do them on the Garage Queens (well, the ones that don`t leak much) with a RW..*for a while*..but eventually even those need conventional washing under there. And those aren`t even being driven through Ohio winters...I can`t imagine just RWing the underneath of the winter-time Daily Drivers and even if my mechanics and I didn`t care, they`d be messes (how could I spot any new leaks or an emergent need for service?) and would simply rust out in no time if I let `em go.

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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    I’d say the rinseless wash is a tool that should be applied like any other tool, for the job at hand. Just because I rinseless wash 95% of the time doesn’t mean I don’t do a couple of “complete” washes a couple times a year for decontamination and other purposes. So that is also when I would clean the undercarriage though I live in TN so not quite as often as would be needed up north. I also might go through a regular tunnel wash to get the bottom sprayed before I do a decon wash. We don’t have any good touchless washes down here so I might use a tunnel wash before I plan to polish and put on a coating.

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    Re: I donít think a full traditional wash is better than rinseless!

    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    How do RW users clean their undercarriages?

    Sure, I can do them on the Garage Queens (well, the ones that don`t leak much) with a RW..*for a while*..but eventually even those need conventional washing under there. And those aren`t even being driven through Ohio winters...I can`t imagine just RWing the underneath of the winter-time Daily Drivers and even if my mechanics and I didn`t care, they`d be messes (how could I spot any new leaks or an emergent need for service?) and would simply rust out in no time if I let `em go.
    I never wash the undercarriage. After a heavy rain, I head for the deepest standing water puddles I can find and blast off the underside of whatever I`m driving at the time.

 

 
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