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    Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    Hi All,

    I have a paint gauge and the paint is all reading around 80um so i do not want to do any correcting. What specific products are out that can help fill the marring wash induced swirls that will last more than a wash or two since i dont want to risk taking down the clearcoat?

    Also what are your typically paint thickness readings for the cars you are correcting, what numbers give you pause?

    Thanks!

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    I`d go with Black Hole or White Diamond Glaze depending on the color , top it with a wax or sealant and you`re good to go for at least a few months ...
    life is short ..do it while you can

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    If its black I love Poor boys Natty`s black wax, hides a lot of small scratches and marring. If you want to get crazy Black hole followed by Natty`s black.
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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    What they said.

    I have the exact same problem with my `93 Audi (INSERT usual rant about the "detailer" who trashed it for the original owner) and while I`m using different (and no longer available) stuff, that`s the ticket.

    And work on wash technique so you don`t mar it any more than it already is. I gave the `93 one last correction many years ago, and it`s still getting compliments today.

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    My `96 Jeep`s paint is old, oxidized, defect ridden, etc.... Some spots are way too thin for any serious correction. Add to that, it`s an off-road vehicle that I take to the trails on occasion. I plan on brushing up against things that will scratch and even dent the panels.

    My point? Poorboy`s White Diamond is what I will be using to make it look better. Topped with either Liquid Natty Blue, or some EXP sealant (or their other sealant). Not sure which LSP yet.

    I have to find time to get this done, however, but will eventually, some day, get it all posted on here. That Jeep needs some serious loving.

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    The montan wax in HD Speed provides the best filling of any product I`ve used. Plus with the VERY fine abrasives you could use it once every 2-3 months for the next 10 years with a soft polishing pad and remove FAR less paint than doing a full correction every 1-3 years. HD Speed is a godsend for thin easily marred paints. You can top it with whatever dedicated paint sealant you like or just use optimum spray wax or your favorite spray sealant and you`ll always have freshly polished, glossy, protected paint.
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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    thanks! Its a silver, chevy. I also have a soft paint year 2000 S2000 that i am nervous about taking too much clear off of too. I dont know alot about HD Speed other than its an all in one. What makes it so popular i thought more for the pro as its one step saves time and money but are there reasons the hobbist would want to use it over say just putting on poorboys glaze?

    For the glaze no longer found was it the wet glaze 2.0? When i was big into detaling 8 years ago that was all the rage....wonder what happend to it.

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    Quote Originally Posted by estcstm3 View Post
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    Also what are your typically paint thickness readings for the cars you are correcting, what numbers give you pause?
    That`s one of those "it depends" questions, but I`ll tell ya I have measured as low as 2.8 mils on healthy, 2-year-old Nissan paint, so your 80um is right there with that Nissan. I have measured 7 mils on Volvo. (I can only think in mils after 30 years of doing so).

    Here`s a trick... measure the paint in a door jam or two, under the hood, trunk, etc. That`ll be your thinnest paint. There`s shouldn`t be any paint on the surface panels that approach those numbers.

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    Quote Originally Posted by LashingStanley View Post
    The montan wax in HD Speed provides the best filling of any product I`ve used. Plus with the VERY fine abrasives you could use it once every 2-3 months for the next 10 years with a soft polishing pad and remove FAR less paint than doing a full correction every 1-3 years. HD Speed is a godsend for thin easily marred paints. You can top it with whatever dedicated paint sealant you like or just use optimum spray wax or your favorite spray sealant and you`ll always have freshly polished, glossy, protected paint.
    by soft pad would a uro tec white count?

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    I need some "edjification" on paint thickness:
    When measuring paint thickness, are you measuring TOTAL cleat-coat and paint/base-coat and primer thickness OR just the clear-coat??
    And if it is all three finish substrates (love that word!) how do you know if you have a thick clear-coat or a thin clear-coat, IE, how much does the clear-coat make up of that summed TOTAL paint thickness, since it IS the clear-coat your are correcting/polishing/finishing???
    Do paint thickness gauges work with panel putty-filled areas and if not, is this a good way to tell if a panel has been damaged and "repaired" this way??
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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    Quote Originally Posted by WaxAddict View Post
    Here`s a trick... measure the paint in a door jam or two, under the hood, trunk, etc. That`ll be your thinnest paint. There`s shouldn`t be any paint on the surface panels that approach those numbers.
    On my 2008 Toyota Yaris, I noticed some of those jam areas are not clear coated. So that just throws (in some cases) another variable into the mix


    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    When measuring paint thickness, are you measuring TOTAL cleat-coat and paint/base-coat and primer thickness OR just the clear-coat??
    And if it is all three finish substrates (love that word!) how do you know if you have a thick clear-coat or a thin clear-coat, IE, how much does the clear-coat make up of that summed TOTAL paint thickness, since it IS the clear-coat your are correcting/polishing/finishing??
    I asked those questions myself many times. Conclusion: You don`t know how much clear coat you are working with. Your average PTG that I see people using read the TOTAL "paint thickness." Some PTGs are high-end fancy units that can indeed measure different layers (clear, base coat, primer) but they`re darn expensive. I doubt most of us would invest in such a tool. At least on the hobbyist level, no way! But my bday is coming up soon, so if you guys want to pool your money together
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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    As JustJesus has discovered, you gotta be careful using doorjamb/etc. ETG readings...many vehicles, even really high-end ones, aren`t cleared in those areas or have thinner clear than is on the outer panels proper. And some vehicles have just a very light fogging of basecoat over the primer/e-coat, stuff you can cut through in no time even with the mildest Finishing Polishes. Gee, guess how I know...

    Lonnie- The putty messes with ETGs, and one use of them is to discover areas that have filler.

    IME the primary use of ETGs are to 1) find unusually thick/thin areas, and 2) give a measuring stick with regard to how much paint you`re taking off (starting thickness vs. resulting thickness).

    And IMO if somebody has to do a full correction every few years, in the sense of taking off appreciable clear all over the vehicle, something`s really wrong, probably with the wash regimen.

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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    Accumulator:
    "Edjificate" me some more: I assume (and this may be the "assume" making an ASS out of U and ME) that by ETG you mean "Electronic Thickness Gauge", which is another way of saying PTG (Paint Thickness Gauge). Semantics..

    You are correct about paint/clear coat in door jam or trunk seams/channels. Many American manufacturer`s vehicles DO NOT have sufficient paint in these areas, especially on hinges. It is one of my pet-peeves about such vehicles compared to their imported competition. That and how door sheet metal or trunk sheet metal edges are NOT deburred or finished. I cannot tell you how many times I have cut (not scratched, but cut) my fingers on sharp edges or welding burrs. I guess they figure the only "idiots" dumb enough to put their hands in those areas (where NO ONE should ever be, hence WHY they are unfinished) are vehicle detailers. My Subaru`s I previously owned were pretty nicely finished, both paint and sheet metal-wise in those areas. My current Fords (2006 Freestyle and 2015 Taurus) are not.
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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    Quote Originally Posted by WaxAddict View Post
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    Here`s a trick... measure the paint in a door jam or two, under the hood, trunk, etc. That`ll be your thinnest paint. There`s shouldn`t be any paint on the surface panels that approach those numbers.
    So I`m quoting myself above because I think my advice has been misconstrued. See bold text. I realize that interior panel areas often do NOT have ANY clearcoat. I too burned through this area (a door jam) because it is so thin (and it was a 911!), like Accumulator also alluded to. My point was that if you need a reference of what REALLY IS THIN, measure in these areas. When I took the gauge to my 370Z I was astonished to see sub-3 mils readings, and I was second guessing my gauge (calibration) or reading technique. After measuring a door jam, I was like "no, THAT is THIN". I recall it being like 1.8 mils.

    estcstm3`s reading of 80um would have been a normal reading on some panels of that 370Z.
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    Re: Car has been corrected too many times what products do you reccomend

    WaxAddict- That`s a good way to safely err on the side of caution all right, no argument here. Just wouldn`t want somebody to think "those uncorrected areas in the jamb are X so I can go that low on the hood too".

    Lonnie- OOPS, sorry...yeah, ETG = PTG

    Funny, but my A8/S8 have corner-cutting paintwork in those areas to some extent too (though at least they`re cleared), very different from the `93 which was built right even in the places that don`t show.

    And it`s my wife`s A8 that always cuts me! Pretty much every wash, something has me bleeding but good from the undercarriage or under the hood despite wearing gloves.

 

 
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