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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanicyouth View Post
    I think these coatings hold up forever in labs where manufacturers test them. But, the two coatings I`ve tried ain`t worth a crap exposed to the dirt / salt / snow where I live. Yeah, they bead great on the hood/roof - but the lower panels that get expose to everything are all toast after 10 days in PA snow/salt.
    I experienced similar with the McKee`s and the Blackfire coatings, but once Spring rolled around and I could start hand washing the vehicles again, the beading returned. Did the same not happen for you? My car is never totally clean during winter, so it doesn`t bother me all that much.

    I think it`s funny they are selling special primers, water spot removers, soaps, rejuvenators, and top coats for coatings now. I dunno - it just seems like a silly rabbit hole not worth going down. You can just easily apply another coat of Collinite regardless and be good for a long time.
    This part I do find funny and am not convinced and feel most of them are solutions looking for problems. From my limited, yet successful experience, the I`ve not needed any of them other than a panel prep spray to remove the polishing oils. Right now I`ve got four cars with coatings ranging from 4~15 months and none of them are maintained any different from when they wore sealants. No special soaps, no boosters, no toppers, just a good wash and a once over with a QD spray to knock of any stray water spots. They look great and the coating is holding up just fine.
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    Maybe I’m picky - but when I’m evaluating the coating - I’m evaluating it on the dirtiest spot of the car - usually the lower panel in front of the rear wheel for me. At that spot, the beading becomes abysmal after a few weeks in PA salt / snow / sludge. Yes, vehicle has been properly cleaned. Of course, they all bead well forever on the hood & roof.

    So, to me - it seems a lot of these coatings will hold up well in ideal conditions - but I’m questioning weather any of them hold up to real road sludge on the bottom panels.

    Yeah, certain waxes hold up better there than others...On the other hand, it cost me less than 50¢ to reapply them with ease.

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    "Everything old is new again..."


    Disclaimer: I`m a coating junkie. However, I`m not convinced that it is the be-all, end-all for every situation, much like I`m not convinced that there is a BEST coating. Too many variables and too subjective a final judgment to be able to declare a BEST. There may be, however, a best for YOU...coating-wise. Likewise, there may be a BEST FOR YOU LSP that is *not* a coating.


    As for "everything old is new again" I`d hazard a guess that many of the adjectives used to proclaim the superiority of coatings were/are used to describe wax and sealants as well. ANd whatever comes after coatings (and they *will* think of something) will use similar words to describe why their stuff is the greatest ever.


    I will grant you that the hyperbole regarding coatings is significant, they`re the latest `technology` in surface protection...or at least that`s the impression that is presented to the general population. The significant issue I find with much of the marketing is the primary focus on `hardness`, the ubiquitous "It`s eleventy-billionH hard!"; I believe one vendor touted "10H" hardness coming out of the recent SEMA show and another touts "XXX has improved their formulations by incorporating nature’s hardest material into their formulations. The idea of infusing diamond powder aka carbon into their formulation started..." as what makes them "extra special"; I guess "carbon infusion" didn`t sound as glamorous.


    But what does the hardness actual measure? Heck, Gyeon even named one of their coatings MOHS after the hardness scale of minerals, even though most coatings test using the pencil test, a much different measurement. It`s all just marketing in my mind. I see many certified installers willing to drop up to 10 coats of a pro-only product on paint but I`m guessing if i take a pin and lightly run it across the coated surface, it`s gonna leave a mark, no matter how many coats or how hard they claim it to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swanicyouth View Post
    I think these coatings hold up forever in labs where manufacturers test them. But, the two coatings I`ve tried ain`t worth a crap exposed to the dirt / salt / snow where I live. Yeah, they bead great on the hood/roof - but the lower panels that get expose to everything are all toast after 10 days in PA snow/salt.

    Your point on durability is quite valid but also dependent on products used. One of our coated cars made it through the 2016-2017 Winter in NE Ohio unscathed, both hood/roof/trunk and complete sides of the car...a quick foam and wash in the Spring and we were back in business...beading, sheeting and self-cleaning as well as a week after application. Another one of our coated cars looked/acted fine on hood/roof/trunk but from midway down the sides, the coating had completely failed/lost its beneficial properties. Decon`d, clayed, washed...no matter...nothing brought it back. Now many say just because the hydrophobic properties were absent, the coating could still be there but to me, when it loses it`s hydrophobioc/self-cleaning properties, it may as well be gone as that is the primary focus of a coating...for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swanicyouth View Post
    Certain waxes seem to hold up a LITTLE better. But the real benefit is their ease of reapplication and cost per application. You can wax a car in 20 mins for under a dollar. It will look better as well.

    The question of looks is totally subjective and some coatings have different looks designed into them; hard, candy gloss or deeper, warmer wax-like glow. I personally like the ‘relaxed high gloss’ look that the coating combos on our cars have…it just makes me look every time I’m near it.


    Granted, I`ve never seen a coating that has `that look` like Pinnacle Souveran Paste does but unfortunately that Pinnacle look usually lasts until the first rainstorm and, in my experience, attracts a lot of dust. And even the vaunted Collinite 915 did not hold up too well when I used it on a fleet vehicle last winter. Did pretty darn good but did not lasting like a coating (neither vehicle was washed after application). FWIW, Collinite 915 is the only wax I have in my cabinet...it’s great stuff when a wax is the best for the situation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swanicyouth View Post
    I think it`s funny they are selling special primers, water spot removers, soaps, rejuvenators, and top coats for coatings now. I dunno - it just seems like a silly rabbit hole not worth going down. You can just easily apply another coat of Collinite regardless and be good for a long time.

    Eh, browse around Autogeek or Autopia..countless, countless Quick Detailers, polymer-enhanced wash soaps and such that are non-coating specific. Likely more prevalent than coating-specific products.


    As for my specific situation, all my cars require for maintenance are Gyeon Foam (when in the mood…just because #1 It Can’t Hurt and #2 It’s Fun), Gyeon Bathe (single bucket wash w/ Grit Guard), a Gyeon Smoothie Wash Mitt, (2) Platinum Pluffles to dry and some Kamikaze Overcoat to use as a drying aid, mostly because it makes drying so much easier.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    This sounds like a marketing scheme: "Just drink the purple Kool-Aid and everything will be alright"
    One of my "resolutions" for 2018 was to try a coating and experience for myself what all the hype is about.
    Now I am beginning to wonder if it is just that: hype.
    Please see recent thread:
    Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    For me, it’s not (all) hype. My (black) cars stay much cleaner, requiring little attention from me. What the above referenced thread began as was a quest to find a product combo that worked for me (and my inherent laziness in maintenance). It’s kinda morphed into a hobby now, for whatever reason I just like using and seeing the results of different coatings. However, my primary needs are low maintenance, environmental stain resistance/etching and I have little concern for claimed ‘impact’ hardness…I just like a reasonably clean car with little intervention from myself. Aside from PPF, ain’t nothing gonna protect you from the harshness of daily use, with regard to scratches, rock chips and flying objects. I have no real need for anything beyond a 2-year coating on a daily driver as the world is gonna mess my stuff up by that point, that point being where the daily effects mar the paint enough to require some polishing. If I was really, really OCD about daily driver appearance, I’d just be using CanCoat (for hydrophobic/self cleaning and staining/bird bomb protection) and polishing every Spring. But I’m not to that point…yet.


    As I have a fleet of vehicles at work to ‘play with’, I also get to see how the coatings hold up in some pretty harsh usage conditions. Walking through the lot and warehouse each day I get to see both co-workers cars and fleet vans coated in a variety of products. It’s *usually* very obvious which ones have been coated and which ones have not…although I oughta try a sealant on one sometime to get an actual representation of coating v. sealant v. wax. I’ve seen the coating v. Collinite 915 last winter and while 915 did quite well, it faded months before the coated vehicles did (and coated vehicles received NO attention as far as paint maintenance goes; no wash, no booster, no toppers…no anything)


    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    I agree completely. I might be missing something (like "it increases the hardness, so use it just for that"), but it sounds to me like people are still doing as much stuff after applying the coatings as I do with conventional LSPs, if not more. Eh, guess every situation is different, but still...

    Depending on how in-depth a wash routine is, in my mind an LSP is an LSP and can either be maintained at a high level or ignored for longer periods of time. I find that coatings let me ignore the maintenance for longer periods of time.


    The actual biggest time-saver for me in maintenance, however, is not the paint coating but rather the wheel and tire coating. Blast it with pressure washer prior to washing, give it a little wipe-down afterwards. No nasty wheel brushes, towels, cleaners or tire dressings. Wheel cleaning used to take about 45 minutes, now it takes maybe 5 minutes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swanicyouth View Post
    That’s the ticket - people spending hundreds on special soaps, primers, top coats, coatings, etc.. I gotta lol.


    But if I was selling this stuff - I’d be all over touting the benefits

    Admittedly, the buy-in cost was high for the products I ended up using on my own cars, likely close to $450 per vehicle. Going forward this Spring, though, will probably be down to about $125 to get thru 2018 season on 3 cars, washed at most weekly, more likely bi-weekly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swanicyouth View Post
    Maybe I’m picky - but when I’m evaluating the coating - I’m evaluating it on the dirtiest spot of the car - usually the lower panel in front of the rear wheel for me. At that spot, the beading becomes abysmal after a few weeks in PA salt / snow / sludge. Yes, vehicle has been properly cleaned. Of course, they all bead well forever on the hood & roof.


    So, to me - it seems a lot of these coatings will hold up well in ideal conditions - but I’m questioning weather any of them hold up to real road sludge on the bottom panels.


    Yeah, certain waxes hold up better there than others...On the other hand, it cost me less than 50¢ to reapply them with ease.

    I’ll let ya know next Spring how the coatings hold up on my personal car. My daily winter commute is 70 miles round-trip, 5 days a week, on 3 of the worst/busiest freeways in Cleveland area. If this stuff doesn’t make it thru, then I will re-think coatings…or keep chasing that stupid Unicorn. Many coatings base their longevity claims on years, which to me is disingenuous at best. I’m guessing the coating on wife’s black Corvette will hold well beyond claimed 24-36 months as it’s stored every winter and, while used in all weather in summer as her daily driver, it’s still nowhere near the usage my 20k mile a year, daily driver gets; Vette is generally a 10k mile a year car, Spring, Summer and Fall. And her daily driver at other times does sit outside in the driveway, usually covered in leaves all Fall, but still doesn’t see the miles mine does. At the end of the day, if coatings hold up on my car I’ll likely be convinced…if not, will have to look in other directions. I will say that all the Fleet Vehicles I coated last winter needed a quick wash and decon last fall but for the most part, looked really good (from 10ft) 95% of the time…so there is *something* to this coating stuff…but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the ‘be-all, end-all’ solution for everyone.


    And FWIW, the main “Detailing Stuff I was Wrong About in 2017” is that buying 32oz bottles of things you want to try is *not* the way to go. I dunno, I just liked the feel to 32oz bottles but aside from those that became my favorites, probably 60% of the stuff I bought in those large bottles were sent away for others to try, most being pretty much full. Like many things in my life, it “Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time”; boy, that list just seems to grow daily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertnate View Post
    Some may find this controversial, but I`m starting to question the "all in the family" theory with products..
    Yeah, I gave that up long ago. Not saying I`d still go cross-brands if I were doing other stuff, but for what I`m doing the only things I always pair are the Klasse twins. I just consider the compatibility/synergy of the individual products in question. Sorta a case of "chemistry is chemistry/physics is physics regardless of the name on the label".

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    I`m becoming more and more convinced that my (admittedly extreme) wash techniques factor in significantly with regard to...well, most everything. We use some of our vehicles *hard* yet I seem to get coating-like results out of my current LSPs.

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
    The actual biggest time-saver for me in maintenance, however, is not the paint coating but rather the wheel and tire coating. Blast it with pressure washer prior to washing, give it a little wipe-down afterwards. No nasty wheel brushes, towels, cleaners or tire dressings. Wheel cleaning used to take about 45 minutes, now it takes maybe 5 minutes.
    That one has me scratching my head...maybe it`s your/my brakepads or somesuch. My coated wheels take every bit as long as my LSPed/bare wheels it`s just that the work is a *tiny bit* easier. I *still* have to go over every square mm of both sides with various cleaning media, still gotta get down into the lug/valvestem pockets, etc. etc. even though I now pressurewash as the first step. Even a quickie "between-washes wheel/tire-only cleanup" takes me forever compared to how long it takes others to wash the whole vehicle!

    I guess the weirdest thing is that my bare wheels (only the Tahoe`s winter ones) clean up so easily, but then I do use something more potent than my usual shampoo mix on those.

    ...the main “Detailing Stuff I was Wrong About in 2017” is that buying 32oz bottles of things you want to try is *not* the way to go.
    Heh heh, I tended to buy gallons of stuff, and I don`t mean just two, and then find something better Not such an issue now that I`m settled on what I like, but I`m still using up a lifetime`s supply of also-rans If BlackSunshine happens to see this- I *still* have one more jug of that EF Clear Pearl QD! For that matter, I still have partial cases of 476S and M16 that I`ll never use...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    .. Like many things in my life, it “Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time”; boy, that list just seems to grow daily.
    To me that`s good news, shows that you`re *thinking* and finding ways to improve. IMO too many people are unwilling to consider whether they`re wrong about [whatever], especially about long-term-familiar things that seem OK.

    As the man said, "the unexamined life isn`t worth living".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    "Everything old is new again..."


    Disclaimer: I`m a coating junkie. However, I`m not convinced that it is the be-all, end-all for every situation, much like I`m not convinced that there is a BEST coating. Too many variables and too subjective a final judgment to be able to declare a BEST. There may be, however, a best for YOU...coating-wise. Likewise, there may be a BEST FOR YOU LSP that is *not* a coating.


    As for "everything old is new again" I`d hazard a guess that many of the adjectives used to proclaim the superiority of coatings were/are used to describe wax and sealants as well. ANd whatever comes after coatings (and they *will* think of something) will use similar words to describe why their stuff is the greatest ever.


    I will grant you that the hyperbole regarding coatings is significant, they`re the latest `technology` in surface protection...or at least that`s the impression that is presented to the general population. The significant issue I find with much of the marketing is the primary focus on `hardness`, the ubiquitous "It`s eleventy-billionH hard!"; I believe one vendor touted "10H" hardness coming out of the recent SEMA show and another touts "XXX has improved their formulations by incorporating nature’s hardest material into their formulations. The idea of infusing diamond powder aka carbon into their formulation started..." as what makes them "extra special"; I guess "carbon infusion" didn`t sound as glamorous.


    But what does the hardness actual measure? Heck, Gyeon even named one of their coatings MOHS after the hardness scale of minerals, even though most coatings test using the pencil test, a much different measurement. It`s all just marketing in my mind. I see many certified installers willing to drop up to 10 coats of a pro-only product on paint but I`m guessing if i take a pin and lightly run it across the coated surface, it`s gonna leave a mark, no matter how many coats or how hard they claim it to be.





    Your point on durability is quite valid but also dependent on products used. One of our coated cars made it through the 2016-2017 Winter in NE Ohio unscathed, both hood/roof/trunk and complete sides of the car...a quick foam and wash in the Spring and we were back in business...beading, sheeting and self-cleaning as well as a week after application. Another one of our coated cars looked/acted fine on hood/roof/trunk but from midway down the sides, the coating had completely failed/lost its beneficial properties. Decon`d, clayed, washed...no matter...nothing brought it back. Now many say just because the hydrophobic properties were absent, the coating could still be there but to me, when it loses it`s hydrophobioc/self-cleaning properties, it may as well be gone as that is the primary focus of a coating...for me.





    The question of looks is totally subjective and some coatings have different looks designed into them; hard, candy gloss or deeper, warmer wax-like glow. I personally like the ‘relaxed high gloss’ look that the coating combos on our cars have…it just makes me look every time I’m near it.


    Granted, I`ve never seen a coating that has `that look` like Pinnacle Souveran Paste does but unfortunately that Pinnacle look usually lasts until the first rainstorm and, in my experience, attracts a lot of dust. And even the vaunted Collinite 915 did not hold up too well when I used it on a fleet vehicle last winter. Did pretty darn good but did not lasting like a coating (neither vehicle was washed after application). FWIW, Collinite 915 is the only wax I have in my cabinet...it’s great stuff when a wax is the best for the situation.





    Eh, browse around Autogeek or Autopia..countless, countless Quick Detailers, polymer-enhanced wash soaps and such that are non-coating specific. Likely more prevalent than coating-specific products.


    As for my specific situation, all my cars require for maintenance are Gyeon Foam (when in the mood…just because #1 It Can’t Hurt and #2 It’s Fun), Gyeon Bathe (single bucket wash w/ Grit Guard), a Gyeon Smoothie Wash Mitt, (2) Platinum Pluffles to dry and some Kamikaze Overcoat to use as a drying aid, mostly because it makes drying so much easier.





    For me, it’s not (all) hype. My (black) cars stay much cleaner, requiring little attention from me. What the above referenced thread began as was a quest to find a product combo that worked for me (and my inherent laziness in maintenance). It’s kinda morphed into a hobby now, for whatever reason I just like using and seeing the results of different coatings. However, my primary needs are low maintenance, environmental stain resistance/etching and I have little concern for claimed ‘impact’ hardness…I just like a reasonably clean car with little intervention from myself. Aside from PPF, ain’t nothing gonna protect you from the harshness of daily use, with regard to scratches, rock chips and flying objects. I have no real need for anything beyond a 2-year coating on a daily driver as the world is gonna mess my stuff up by that point, that point being where the daily effects mar the paint enough to require some polishing. If I was really, really OCD about daily driver appearance, I’d just be using CanCoat (for hydrophobic/self cleaning and staining/bird bomb protection) and polishing every Spring. But I’m not to that point…yet.


    As I have a fleet of vehicles at work to ‘play with’, I also get to see how the coatings hold up in some pretty harsh usage conditions. Walking through the lot and warehouse each day I get to see both co-workers cars and fleet vans coated in a variety of products. It’s *usually* very obvious which ones have been coated and which ones have not…although I oughta try a sealant on one sometime to get an actual representation of coating v. sealant v. wax. I’ve seen the coating v. Collinite 915 last winter and while 915 did quite well, it faded months before the coated vehicles did (and coated vehicles received NO attention as far as paint maintenance goes; no wash, no booster, no toppers…no anything)





    Depending on how in-depth a wash routine is, in my mind an LSP is an LSP and can either be maintained at a high level or ignored for longer periods of time. I find that coatings let me ignore the maintenance for longer periods of time.


    The actual biggest time-saver for me in maintenance, however, is not the paint coating but rather the wheel and tire coating. Blast it with pressure washer prior to washing, give it a little wipe-down afterwards. No nasty wheel brushes, towels, cleaners or tire dressings. Wheel cleaning used to take about 45 minutes, now it takes maybe 5 minutes.





    Admittedly, the buy-in cost was high for the products I ended up using on my own cars, likely close to $450 per vehicle. Going forward this Spring, though, will probably be down to about $125 to get thru 2018 season on 3 cars, washed at most weekly, more likely bi-weekly.





    I’ll let ya know next Spring how the coatings hold up on my personal car. My daily winter commute is 70 miles round-trip, 5 days a week, on 3 of the worst/busiest freeways in Cleveland area. If this stuff doesn’t make it thru, then I will re-think coatings…or keep chasing that stupid Unicorn. Many coatings base their longevity claims on years, which to me is disingenuous at best. I’m guessing the coating on wife’s black Corvette will hold well beyond claimed 24-36 months as it’s stored every winter and, while used in all weather in summer as her daily driver, it’s still nowhere near the usage my 20k mile a year, daily driver gets; Vette is generally a 10k mile a year car, Spring, Summer and Fall. And her daily driver at other times does sit outside in the driveway, usually covered in leaves all Fall, but still doesn’t see the miles mine does. At the end of the day, if coatings hold up on my car I’ll likely be convinced…if not, will have to look in other directions. I will say that all the Fleet Vehicles I coated last winter needed a quick wash and decon last fall but for the most part, looked really good (from 10ft) 95% of the time…so there is *something* to this coating stuff…but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the ‘be-all, end-all’ solution for everyone.

    Agree 100% about wheel / tire coating. I use Tuff Shine on my daily driver and HydroFoam (not really a coating - but same effect) on wheels. I use both these products because they make wheel cleanup significantly easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    I`m "old school" and I will admit that there are three things, while not "wrong", are more in the area of "detailer preference", but somewhat debatable and controversial:

    3) Rotary buffers finish still better than the newer long-throw polishers. (OK, it DOES depend on the skill level and experience of the operator. I will say this, long-throw polishers have made it easier for the occasional-use hobbyist to achieve "ALMOST" rotary-perfect correction without the learning curve (AKA, experience and practice from years of use, or plain trial-and-error) needed to master a rotary`s "characteristics")


    See what I started..... Just like the good ol` days in this Forum!!!


    When I saw that that this post was started by Accumulator and it had the wording "I was wrong" in it, I thought that it was oxymoronic!
    The guy that painted my `70 Chevelle used a rotary and wool pad on the whole buffing process. When I took the car to my first AACA show they parked me next to a $250,000 car restored by probably the top and most respected restorer of these specific cars in the country and the people were walking right past that one and flocked to mine and most everyone commented on the paint. The guy who ended up buying the car said it was the paint that blew him away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by re-tired View Post
    The guy that painted my `70 Chevelle used a rotary and wool pad on the whole buffing process. When I took the car to my first AACA show they parked me next to a $250,000 car restored by probably the top and most respected restorer of these specific cars in the country and the people were walking right past that one and flocked to mine and most everyone commented on the paint. The guy who ended up buying the car said it was the paint that blew him away.
    It`s one of those "debatable" things about rotary versus long-throw dual-actions polishers. I think, though, that your Chevelle is living proof of what a (highly) skilled operator can achieve with "old school" rotary techniques. Now, if your paint was also "old school" single-stage, that might explain some of the results.
    I still will plan to buy a LT-DA in the future, though, just because I am a hobbyist and achieving even 90% of what a mediocre rotary job could do it still pretty good for my daily driver that I own and those that I work on for friends and family. Or as one skilled former auto-body person said, "You do produce pretty shiny micro-swirled vehicles!" (ARGGH!)
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    He did something totally different than anyone else does. He painted the base coat with single stage, then topped that with three coats of clear. Who does that?
    This guy is a old guy old school and is good @ what he does. I put a decent scratch on the deck lid of my C6 back in `08 and he fixed it like you couldn`t tell, all with a rotary and wool pad. When I sold the car 4 years later still could not tell.

    Sorry - not really meaning to hi-jack the thread

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    re-tired- No worries about hijacking it IMO!

    It was funny...as I read the first part of that post "..who does that?"...before I got to the next line I thought "an old-school guy; we did it that way for decades" As long as it looks OK, doesn`t delaminate, and the clear doesn`t crack..it`s perfectly OK IMO.

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    OK-- stuff that I was wrong about in 2017 detailing related----

    That I would not spend hardly any $$ buying products that I dont need yet

    Thought I could do it cause I am pretty strong willed

    BUT totally failed!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by re-tired View Post
    ...I would not spend hardly any $$ buying products that I dont need yet

    Thought I could do it cause I am pretty strong willed

    BUT totally failed!!!!!!!!
    Heh heh, BTDT! But I`ve been doing really well in that regard lately, haven`t, uhm..accumulated...much of anything for quite a while Well, at least no products that I don`t use regularly.

    Although I did buy more 3D Pink Car Soap, figure that doesn`t count since I`ll use it eventually and it was dirt cheap. As best I can tell, I bought the last 5 gallon bucket of it, don`t think they sell it like that any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    If BlackSunshine happens to see this- I *still* have one more jug of that EF Clear Pearl QD! For that matter, I still have partial cases of 476S and M16 that I`ll never use...
    I saw it! Just a few years late. I wonder if that stuff is still good?!

    Edit: Sure wish I could get my old username back

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    I didn`t get the 20 coats of Zaino thing back in the day and I don`t get the buying an expensive coating just to buy a maintenance spray and a maintenance wash to maintain it now thing.

 

 
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