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    Hey there, Jon!! Long time!!
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    I`m glad to see so many old-timers posting here again! Sorry that I`m not chiming in all the time to welcome people back, please don`t take it as disinterest.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D View Post
    Ah, I recall him saying Souveran was P21s, just a different fragrance, way back when. People have also always said P21s and S100 are the same thing too
    ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. I used Souveran on the Jag for ages..my fave LSP on that paint, and when I tried doing it with P21s it looked so horribly different that I promptly stripped that [stuff] off and redid it with Souveran..all better. The P21s might look OK on something else, but not on that car, not to my eyes. P21s looked a lot more like M16 or maybe Collinite 845; it was a "bright reflective" wax, moreso than the Souveran by a huge margin.

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    I was never sure about the Souveran vs P21S myself so I kept on using the Souveran instead of switching and experimenting. It’s amazing on black even looks damn good on white!
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    I wish David would have replied to my post. He sure seemed pretty adamant that they were the same thing, and I have to believe he of all people would know.

    He is actually claiming that Wolfgang Fusion = Pinnacle Souveran = S100 = P21S. Someone is arguing with him about the waxes being different and he basically replies with, believe as you wish, I founded Autopia-CarCare and the Autopia forum, sold to PBMA. Prior to that worked with Classic Motoring Accessories which created Souveran (rebranded P21S with a satin bag)."

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    Fuzion lasts longer for me than Souveran. That`s for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D View Post
    Fuzion lasts longer for me than Souveran. That`s for sure
    Agreed. Fuzion is also marketed as a polymer/carnauba hybrid and I’ve never seen any mention of anything synthetic in Souveran, but who knows.

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    TGates- I`m cool with the "believe what you wish", and/but I do wish David were chiming in.

    This is like some of the waxes TOL used to sell that were supposedly identical to [other LSPs]. Side-by-side on the same vehicle was good enough for me to make up my mind.

    So, FWIW, since gee, who really knows?!? and..who really cares?!? ...I`d just recommend trying `em out side-by-side on a paint you know very well. Then make up your own mind and, well...let anybody else believe what he likes

 

 
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