wasted money. rant

**CocheseUGA** · 07-09-2009, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by SoCalB6

Interesting, how are you using (dilution) APC+ on glass?

Read it again.

**Junebug** · 07-09-2009, 10:10 AM

I`m with Weekend Warrior on this - I`m trying to reduce the number of products, problem is - I have a ton! I`ve found that for basic chemicals - my local detail store - Majestic Solutions has about everything I need, but I do like some Chemical Guys stuff too.

**duke4ever** · 07-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by JuneBug

I`m with Weekend Warrior on this - I`m trying to reduce the number of products, problem is - I have a ton! I`ve found that for basic chemicals - my local detail store - Majestic Solutions has about everything I need, but I do like some Chemical Guys stuff too.

How`s that chemical guys stuff? I`ve been very hesitant to try any chemical guys stuff because I`ve fished these forums and keep hearing about quality control problems with them. Although I haven`t seen too much as of late, say late 2008-early 09.

**imported_DJ Mayo** · 07-09-2009, 04:42 PM

I have tons of crap I don`t use anymore either. I have a few products that I use for a variety of things.

The one thing that ALWAYS bugs the hell out of me is when people brag about how they spent $$$$ on this new wax when all they had to do was correct the paint and use whatever they had.

**imported_Jakerooni** · 07-09-2009, 06:03 PM

I will toss this out there for food for thought.... But IMHO I think the only place any pro should invest any sort of real money would be their compound/Polish products. Everything else can be done just as good with OTC as they can be done with High dollar name brand stuff.

APC is APC and can and will clean just about anything out there. They all work roughly the same with very little difference between most brands out there.

Glass cleaner is Glass cleaner and it`s 99% about the technique behind the how to use it rather than the product itself.

Wax is wax and I don`t care what anyone else says about it. Of course there`s a line of quality I wouldn`t cross. But once you reach that line and get a good quality wax they are all about the same in the end.

Shine is shine... You can basically choose between Water based (Hyper dressing) or Silicone based... (Old school and many OTC`s)

The only thing I would really invest cash for product and anything I`ve personally seen make a difference is the compound/polish... Some fill, some don`t (as much) Some work with a pass or two others take many passes and still don`t work as well. Some work great on Soft clears others really are made for Hard Clears. And every combo can be different. What worked perfect yesterday might not do jack crap today. So this is where you need to do some research and invest your time and money.

**duke4ever** · 07-09-2009, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jakerooni

I will toss this out there for food for thought.... But IMHO I think the only place any pro should invest any sort of real money would be their compound/Polish products. Everything else can be done just as good with OTC as they can be done with High dollar name brand stuff.

APC is APC and can and will clean just about anything out there. They all work roughly the same with very little difference between most brands out there.

Glass cleaner is Glass cleaner and it`s 99% about the technique behind the how to use it rather than the product itself.

Wax is wax and I don`t care what anyone else says about it. Of course there`s a line of quality I wouldn`t cross. But once you reach that line and get a good quality wax they are all about the same in the end.

Shine is shine... You can basically choose between Water based (Hyper dressing) or Silicone based... (Old school and many OTC`s)

The only thing I would really invest cash for product and anything I`ve personally seen make a difference is the compound/polish... Some fill, some don`t (as much) Some work with a pass or two others take many passes and still don`t work as well. Some work great on Soft clears others really are made for Hard Clears. And every combo can be different. What worked perfect yesterday might not do jack crap today. So this is where you need to do some research and invest your time and money.

I pretty much agree with this. Everytime someone brings up the glass cleaning thing, I am one of the first to always just say windex or cheap blue stuff. I really don`t see the point in $50 a gallon glass cleaners.

The only thing I`ll say about the APC`s is that, I think you should probably have at least 2 different APCs only because, some might be much stronger than you want for a certain material. For example, I use orange blast degreaser for engine/wheel wells etc... but diluted Simple Green for things like interior plastic etc...

And both are really cheap! The orange blast even worked great for cleaning rubber mats after a bad winter

**Driven Auto Detail** · 07-09-2009, 06:37 PM

For an APC, I just buy the Meg`s APC/APC+ from ADS. It`s roughly $60 with shipping. Dilute it 10:1 and you`ve got yourself a 1 GALLON of APC for just over $1. I don`t think store bought APC`s can compete with that.

Meguiar`s D103 All Purpose Cleaner Plus

**Barry Theal** · 07-09-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by duke4ever

I pretty much agree with this. Everytime someone brings up the glass cleaning thing, I am one of the first to always just say windex or cheap blue stuff. I really don`t see the point in $50 a gallon glass cleaners.

The only thing I`ll say about the APC`s is that, I think you should probably have at least 2 different APCs only because, some might be much stronger than you want for a certain material. For example, I use orange blast degreaser for engine/wheel wells etc... but diluted Simple Green for things like interior plastic etc...

And both are really cheap! The orange blast even worked great for cleaning rubber mats after a bad winter

My ? is why would you have a strong one and a week one? wouldn`t a properly diluted heavier one make both? :nixweiss

**duke4ever** · 07-09-2009, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by bufferbarry

My ? is why would you have a strong one and a week one? wouldn`t a properly diluted heavier one make both? :nixweiss

You`re right, but it comes down more to convenience at that point. Plus, I just happen to have a lot of both sitting around. :2thumbs:

**duke4ever** · 07-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Though, bufferbarry, I now have a good idea... I`ll make Duke`s Interior cleaner, Duke`s Leather Cleaner, Duke`s Plastic Cleaner, Duke`s Interior Detailer, Duke`s Carpet Cleaner, Duke`s Trim cleaner and Duke`s Glass cleaner all in a great orange scent just by diluting orange blast to different degrees. lol

**Barry Theal** · 07-09-2009, 08:12 PM

You can find this humorous duke. Personally I think many people have made some very good points on this thread. you would be surprised by how many professional companies do that and make a lot of money!

**imported_Jakerooni** · 07-09-2009, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by bufferbarry

You can find this humorous duke. Personally I think many people have made some very good points on this thread. you would be surprised by how many professional companies do that and make a lot of money!

I know a couple of companies that frequent this forum that do that almost exclusively

**duke4ever** · 07-09-2009, 08:49 PM

Absolutely! I can guarantee there are many that do exactly that. Logically, they also make them all smell different and different colors. So we can sit here and go product Y is different from X because one is pink and smells like flowers and one is green and smells like limes.

**Barry Theal** · 07-09-2009, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by duke4ever

Absolutely! I can guarantee there are many that do exactly that. Logically, they also make them all smell different and different colors. So we can sit here and go product Y is different from X because one is pink and smells like flowers and one is green and smells like limes.

I agree with ya there duke that is for sure

**noob86** · 07-13-2009, 07:22 AM

now everything is right off there page. now your paying 17.95 plus tax and shipping for a bottle of citrus based degreaser? lol now this is a spray bottle full. now you figure when its all said and done your looking at $25.00 for a total sale. now someone recomended purprle power which is availble for 13.00 at you local advance auto parts for 2.5 gallons. now lhere is how learning how to do this first off your ganna have to dilute this stuff 50/50 right off the start beacuse of how strong it can be. so now you have 5 gallons for $13.00 dollars. thats less then $3 dollars a gallon. now once you break it down 50/50 again which will make a 4 to 1 bottle for tires and door jambs. and 10 to one for interior use like carpets vinyl and other stuff. now you eliminated a lot of chemicals. in your arsenal, and i can be certain that your cost will be cheaper.

im not trying to bash on detailers domain there were just an example company with that x product. im just trying to show you guys how to save on some cash and not fall into some marketing hype. now this is just my 2 cents.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH

for saving my time mostly money and showing me (extremely new to this) that high dollar stuff does not mean better quality i.e. worth it

:thx

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