No they shouldnt :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by wannafbody
someone should test Finish Kare 2180 for durability
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No they shouldnt :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by wannafbody
someone should test Finish Kare 2180 for durability
Nice info. You really have to try waxes and finish products yourself as opposed to relying on tests and publications alone. They are helpful, but they reflect the opinion of the test taker(s). Your own view and the performance of a wax or sealant could vary signifcantly depending on the receiving paint and its environment.
Tests do provide good entertainment value, however.......
Yeah, not impressed. Read the wording of the Zaino review and then read the wording of the others. "Optics are down" for one product turns into "Optics are down, but not enough to notice" for Zaino. Well...if optics are down...you noticed didnt you?
I like Steve and all, but he`s definately a Z-head. I`d hate for this to turn into a Z vs the world thread (and please, don`t) but saying Zaino is the benchmark throws all the objectivity right out of his writeup. Everyone has a different benchmark, I`ve used Zaino but have no desire to use it again because its not the product for me. I like the look of the products I use now hands and fists over Zaino, even if I do need to apply them more often.
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Originally posted by MartyGrant
Where is FMJ or ......on and on?
I`m unimpressed with this test and most of the "contestants".
Eggggggg...zactly
I got some ear wax he could have tested
I don`t doubt the durability of Zaino, at more than 4 months it is still beading on my brother`s van. What I do wonder is how other than Glanz Wax, pretty much everything else was dead in 2 weeks. I`ve used NXT and Wolfgang more than enough to know that they both last far longer than that. I don`t know what it is about Steve`s test panels that few product other than Zaino last very long when on actual vehicles that are driving in all kinds of weather I and other get much better results. :nixweiss
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Originally posted by GoodnClean
Yeah, not impressed. Read the wording of the Zaino review and then read the wording of the others. "Optics are down" for one product turns into "Optics are down, but not enough to notice" for Zaino. Well...if optics are down...you noticed didnt you?
I like Steve and all, but he`s definately a Z-head. I`d hate for this to turn into a Z vs the world thread (and please, don`t) but saying Zaino is the benchmark throws all the objectivity right out of his writeup. Everyone has a different benchmark, I`ve used Zaino but have no desire to use it again because its not the product for me. I like the look of the products I use now hands and fists over Zaino, even if I do need to apply them more often.
You`re right about some bias in the posts, even though the tester(s) may not think they are. IMO, all those guys over at Roadfly are "Z-heads". Even their favorite Carnauba, P21S seem to have fallen out of favor because it doesn`t last for a thousand years. I have and used Z5 & Z2Pro and, frankly, I definitely notice a big difference in slickness after the first wash. I can`t see how they can claim "A" for slickness for all those weeks. Maybe it`s a "...slickness is down, but not enough to notice..." type statement.:D
That being said, I do like Zaino for its durability and gloss, but I wax once a month, so durability is not a consideration. I want the slickest product out there, even it only lasts a couple of weeks. I haven`t tried UPP yet, but Blackfire gets my vote for slickest. :xyxthumbs
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Originally posted by Scottwax
I don`t doubt the durability of Zaino, at more than 4 months it is still beading on my brother`s van. What I do wonder is how other than Glanz Wax, pretty much everything else was dead in 2 weeks. I`ve used NXT and Wolfgang more than enough to know that they both last far longer than that. I don`t know what it is about Steve`s test panels that few product other than Zaino last very long when on actual vehicles that are driving in all kinds of weather I and other get much better results. :nixweiss
Actually, NXT didn`t last all that long for me either, but it does have a very nice look. It didn`t last past three weeks on my mom`s garaged E320. It`s held up for three weeks so far on my wife`s never-garaged 00` Accord though. Go figure. :nixweiss
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Originally posted by Scottwax
........... I`ve used NXT and Wolfgang more than enough to know that they both last far longer than that. I don`t know what it is about Steve`s test panels that few product other than Zaino last very long when on actual vehicles that are driving in all kinds of weather I and other get much better results. :nixweiss
Never used NXT, but I can attest to WG lasting at least
3 months.
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Originally posted by usdm
Never used NXT, but I can attest to WG lasting at least
3 months.
+1 :xyxthumbs
When Guru tests first came out he wasn`t impressed with Zaino because he applied it wrong. Then he tested it pre-ZFX, pre-Z8 and pre-Z2Pro, and still rated it number one. When he first wrote the tests he wasn`t a "Z" head at all. I`m sure he came to like Zaino, because you can`t deny Zaino has been improving on an already top notch product. I`ve tried many products and I prefer Zaino hands over fists to all the others so to each is own.Quote:
Originally posted by GoodnClean
Yeah, not impressed. Read the wording of the Zaino review and then read the wording of the others. "Optics are down" for one product turns into "Optics are down, but not enough to notice" for Zaino. Well...if optics are down...you noticed didnt you?
I like Steve and all, but he`s definately a Z-head. I`d hate for this to turn into a Z vs the world thread (and please, don`t) but saying Zaino is the benchmark throws all the objectivity right out of his writeup. Everyone has a different benchmark, I`ve used Zaino but have no desire to use it again because its not the product for me. I like the look of the products I use now hands and fists over Zaino, even if I do need to apply them more often.
I also got better durabilty with Wolf than they did in the test. I did cure two or three coats and I got months out of it, but then went to something else. Any of those sealants would be a good choice to put on your car. Especially because we detail our cars so often. So I`m sure the tests results would vary no matter what sealant you tested like he said.Quote:
Originally posted by usdm
Never used NXT, but I can attest to WG lasting at least
3 months.
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Originally posted by Intermezzo
I couldn`t have put it better myself!! :xyxthumbs
What is it about doing a very well set-up test that elicits so much criticism. Whereas, if Steve had had done a more informal test with a much shorter write-up (like what most of us do here on Autopia), people would be responding with their usual, "awesome post!" replies.
Couldn`t say it any better!:xyxthumbs
See here`s the thing i don`t get: I`ve been using water "clinging" as my indicator to tell me when to reapply an LSP. I`ve noticed that most sealants/waxes last me about a month (sometimes a month and a half), and then its time to reapply. That`s with no rain and weekly washings. How others seem to get 3+ months without significant slickness reduction, an increase in water clinging and a reduction in beading still escapes me....:nixweiss
Maybe its in my prep??:nixweiss
Steve changed his mind on Zaino because he discovered he was not applying it correctly in his early tests. Once he got the process down, he loved the results. This tells me that Zaino must be quality in order to change the view of someone who initially was biased against it.
You have to give Steve credit for designing and implementing a complex test that treats each wax fairly. There is still no one out there doing this as well as he does and in an independent fashion.
P.S. I`ve had low durability with NXT as well.
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Originally posted by Scottwax
I don`t doubt the durability of Zaino, at more than 4 months it is still beading on my brother`s van. What I do wonder is how other than Glanz Wax, pretty much everything else was dead in 2 weeks. I`ve used NXT and Wolfgang more than enough to know that they both last far longer than that. I don`t know what it is about Steve`s test panels that few product other than Zaino last very long when on actual vehicles that are driving in all kinds of weather I and other get much better results. :nixweiss
Yes, very odd indeed, though not so surprising considering some of the results in the original Wax Test.
And another thing; Glanz got an 8 for application and a 6 for removal?!? What the heck:nixweiss ? Of course Zaino got a 10 for both:rolleyes:
percynjpn: glanz isn`t that easy to remove, it`s certainly easier to apply.
That being said if you had used zaino you`d give app and removal a 10 too.