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    I had two identical Escalades this week. Both 2003 standard versions and both were pearl. One was a full detail and the other a wash/polish/wax job. Both were in excellent condition and I see them regularly (one each week, the other every two weeks) and am normally the only one who washes them.



    I prepped both the same exact way, QEW wash and polished both with Poorboy`s Polish w/carnauba using the Cyclo and green polishing pads. On one, I topped with #16, the other with Carnauba Moose.



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    Both products seem to work best applying and removing a section at a time. #16 is more clear and wet, CMW deepens the color slightly and seems a bit richer looking-even on a horribly orange peeled factory paint. Personally, I like the look of CMW a bit more. Seems to have more depth, even on light colors. Both are reasonably slick, decent for carnaubas but nothing like Wolfgang or UPP, of course.



    Anyway, this really isn`t about appearance since both look nice and both owners were very happy with how their vehicles looked. What I am interested in is the durability of the products. I have had good luck with CMW and #16 is pretty solid in that department too. Both get washed with QEW which is a wax friendly wash, so neither gets an unfair advantage.



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    Ease of use-even

    Appearance-slight edge to CMW

    Slickness-even

    Durability-to be determined. :xyxthumbs



    Oh yeah, I should have pics by late this week. Don`t expect to see much of a difference, it isn`t huge so it probably won`t show on the pics.
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    Doesn`t CMW have cleaners in it? Would this have any effect on why it looked better than #16?

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    Originally posted by JDookie

    Doesn`t CMW have cleaners in it? Would this have any effect on why it looked better than #16?


    CMW is a pure wax. The only cleaning properties it may have are the solvent carriers in it. I polished both exactly the same way.



    I`m not saying you would necessarily think CMW looks better, but to my eye it does. Again, the difference isn`t huge, just a slightly deeper color and more depth.
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    Actually, I`m just realizing something. You said Carnauba Moose Wax. Is that different than just regular Moose Wax?

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    Originally posted by JDookie

    Actually, I`m just realizing something. You said Carnauba Moose Wax. Is that different than just regular Moose Wax?


    Moose Wax = strong cleaner wax

    Carnauba Moose Wax = pure wax

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    Originally posted by JDookie

    Actually, I`m just realizing something. You said Carnauba Moose Wax. Is that different than just regular Moose Wax?


    Yes, and that is exactly the reason Carnauba Moose Wax is a horrible name. Too easy to confuse. It should have been called Clearkote Carnauba or something similar. I guess Mr. Glass wanted to stick with the Moose theme. :nixweiss
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    I`m curious to the durability of CMW, since the person`s car I did washed it off, only 2 weeks in.

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    2-weeks. Wow that is short. Even S100/P21S lasts longer than that.



    What did the person wash the car with and how many times? I doubt highly that CMW would only have a couple of weeks of durability; if that was the case, very few people here would ever use it.



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    Looking forward to durability news Scott, as always, much appreciated info....
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    ScottWAx- Sounds like a good comparo! One of these days you oughta try using the Cyclo with finishing pads to apply the wax. I just love doing #16 with that thing. It`s not like you`ll save any time, but it just seems to work a little differently by machine.

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    Originally posted by John Styrnol

    I`m curious to the durability of CMW, since the person`s car I did washed it off, only 2 weeks in.


    Don`t use beading as a gauge for durability. CMW does not bead very well at all...in fact, its sheeting sorta reminds me of EX/EX-P.

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    Hmm, Scott...very interesting



    I have CMW, but no #16...I`ll have to give it a shot on my dad`s Caddy...And yes, the OP is yucky!

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    Originally posted by Accumulator

    ScottWAx- Sounds like a good comparo! One of these days you oughta try using the Cyclo with finishing pads to apply the wax. I just love doing #16 with that thing. It`s not like you`ll save any time, but it just seems to work a little differently by machine.


    Not trying to hijack this thread or anything but do the pads on a cyclo oscillate or spin?

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    That was the first time I used it. So, when I washed it I saw not much beading and she told me she took it to a car wash, I figure the stuff was basically gone. Nice to know that it was still there. Well, this weekend I put some Tropi-Care TC-3 on her car, so I guess the CMW is gone now, maybe not. She`s happier with the way the car looks now.

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    I use and really enjoy both products.



    Appearance and ease of use IMHO go to CMW and durability to #16 up here in the acid rain NorthEast.



    I find CMW REALLY darkens the paint. It`s amazing at its ability to do so.



    I find its ease of use to be far superior to #16. I apply CMW to the whole car, let sit and then buff off. It comes off with zero effort even if you over apply. I liken it to EX-P in removal. Plus you can use it in the sun. #16 can be a bit of a pain if you let it dry especially if you accidentily use too much.



    I`m curious about the durability by you, especially since you wash them frequently.
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