M-1611 compared to P21S

[Mike_Phillips]

Meguiar`s #16 Professional Paste Wax compared to P21S







From evertying I can tell, Meguiar`s #16 Professional Paste Wax and P21S Carnauba Wax are very, very similar.



Things in common



* They smell the same

* They have the same feel at application

* They create the same visual apperance i.e. good gloss

* They are both pure waxes in that they should only be applied to new, or like new finishes, or paint that has been previously pre-cleaned and pre-polished.





Things that are different



* P21S is states it is a Carnaba based Wax

* #16 is a blended wax that includes Carnauba as well as other ingredients.

* P21S instructions state best results come from removing wax before it hazes

* #16 instructions state to allow wax to haze before removing

* #16 is roughly 1/3 the cost of P21S

* You get approximatley twice as much wax with #16 versus P21S





For those of you that own and have used both, what do you think are the major differences from your real-world experience?



Mike

[SpoiledMan]

While I do agree with most of what is stated above, there are a couple things I will add.



*P21S is easier to apply but you will need to do so more often as #16 lasts much longer.



*The other is that the "feel" of #16 seems a little thicker than P21S when applying. It just seems that #16 drags a little more.



I guess this is one I can`t vote on as my answer is I like them both for different reasons. I can wax my mini van in a few minutes with P21S cause it`s so easy to. #16 lasts a lot longer while giving about the same look so it gets used on the smaller cars.

[disasnguy]

i just got a tin of meguiar`s #16 at the local vic hubbard. came out to be $14.50 not bad for a whopping 11oz. really excited to test this baby out.

[Big Leegr]

I think both look good, however, other than looks and no cleaning ability, I think they are fairly different.

P21S lasts maybe a month, #16 over 6 weeks before I got ambitious and redid the car.

P21s is easy on/off. #16 needs to be thin, and if it`s hot out is pretty tough to get off.

P seems a little greasy when applying, not so much with 16.

P is much more expensive per ounce than 16.

P would probably be better for someone who has to work outside, as it can be taken off right away, and no worries about "baking on", however, I`ve tried the wo/wo with 16 and it still looked good, but I don`t know about durability, as it was getting close to summertime and I wasworking on the car more.

Basically just a reiteration of some other points, but these are what I`ve noticed.

[imported_memnuts]

Both excellent waxes.



#16 seems to impart a "harder" finish. Not sure of the right word but #16 just seems to cure to a harder final result where as P21S has more of a liquid final result. :nixweiss

[eclemens]

I have P21S, but no #16. Send me a sample and I`ll post a review!



All kidding aside, I`m not that impressed with their wax. It got stellar reviews here and was the hot ticket for a while, but it didn`t do wonders for my cars. I love their paint cleanser though (a glaze basically, haven`t tried meg`s glaze). It is extremely easy to work and remove. Adding their wax to the prepped paint just took away some of the clarity and 50% of the slickness for me.



VV

[NXT4now]

Originally posted by VetteVert

I have P21S, but no #16. Send me a sample and I`ll post a review!

:up Same here... I`ve never seen #16 anywhere in stores...

[Mike_Phillips]

Here`s a little article I wrote to help people find Meguiar`s Professional and Detailer lines of products,



How to locate Meguiar’s Professional & Detailer products in your hometown





Mike

[Bill D]

Hmm..I think we all agree P21s and S100 wax are the same exact thing, now the question is how close is #16...does it seem so close to say maybe #16 is a sort of "step sibiling" to P21s

[imported_memnuts]

Originally posted by Bill D

Hmm..I think we all agree P21s and S100 wax are the same exact thing, now the question is how close is #16...does it seem so close to say maybe #16 is a sort of "step sibiling" to P21s

I think it is the other way around or completely different type of relationship.

P21S is an off-spring of Meg #16.:nixweiss

M16 has been around a long time. :wavey

[Bill D]

He he, who`s to say P21s/S100 can`t be a much younger "step sibling" to #16 then? (j/k)

[imported_memnuts]

Soooo true only the maternal side is definite without genetic mapping.

[Mike_Phillips]

Some one posted that one of the reasons they are different is because you wipe P21S of before it hazes, and you wipe #16 off after it hazes.



What if you were to try each product using the same wipe off procedure.



Try wiping off both waxes before they haze, then try wiping off thin coats of each wax after they have both hazed.



Now compare them?



Mike

[6cyl's_of_fury]

I dont have P21S perse, but I can relate my experiences with S100 ( same s**t different bucket ).



From a personal stand point, I find the S100 to be more forgiving. #16 can make you tear your hair out at times if you dont apply it optimally whereas S100 tends to be more fool-proof ( apply either too thick or in the sun and see which one you like.... )



Visually and to the touch they are very similar. Both produce a nice slick finish. I cant really comment on durability as I dont leave a wax to fend for itself any longer than a month. At that point they both are still beading nicely, but for me its a dead issue.



The value for money is in the favour of #16, but IMO price is irrelevant. If it was relevant, then nobody would buy Souveran or a BMW. #16 - $1.10/ounce v S100 - $2.40/ounce.



If I had to choose one or the other, then for me in Australia, getting anything but consumer Megs products is a PITA, so S100 would be the product I would reach for as I know I can get it easily.

[Accumulator]

I too think these two are *very* similar, but then the regulars here already know that, and they also know my preference between the two



Yeah, I *think* P21S just might have a very slight edge in looks, but for practical purposes I honestly don`t think anyone would see it and I don`t think the difference lasts past the first wash. It`s not as big a difference as P21S/Souveran, which is *really* a noticeable difference on certain paints (like that on my XJS).

Originally posted by Mike Phillips

..What if you were to try each product using the same wipe off procedure.



Try wiping off both waxes before they haze, then try wiping off thin coats of each wax after they have both hazed.



Now compare them?



Mike

Yeah, that might make for a fairer comparison.



I`ve used #16 (and plenty of other carnaubas) that way, and I didn`t even notice the decreased durability that you sorta predicted (but note that this was over a layer of #16 that was applied/removed the "conventional way"). Easy as can be, IMO.



People have let P21S set up and they felt that *it* was then sorta hard to remove, but they also thought they got better durability and maybe even improved looks (as I recall, it`s been a while).



Availability, smell, cost, durability, the container...people are always gonna find something to prefer between the two.