NXT, Hype Or Just Perspective?

[NEW AGAIN]

This NXT that is out is NOT the professional brand That`s a year away remember then it should be in a TAN BOTTLE maybe the 32oz size This bottle is geared for the new generation THAT`S CALLED GOOD MARKETING SKILLS AND IT WORKING

[B-NIS]

NozeBleed -



In your first post, it sounds like to me that you are saying Mike only uses Meguiars products because he works there. It is my understanding that Mike purchases several other products from different manufacturers to test them for himself. So I would think that he has some experience to base that it is one of the best products he has used. However, like you said he does work for them, so he could be biased.



Not trying to jump on you, just pointing something out to other readers so they can decide for themselves.



And just my own thoughts, everybody has his/her own opinion on things, whether they like or dislike application, look, smell, etc of products.

[Mike_Phillips]

Just to be upfront... I am a biased. I hope some can respect that I`m at least up front with my bias. I`m so biased in fact, it led to a job working for Meguiar`s.



Go figure? :nixweiss



When I detail car professionally, I don`t have the film-build to make a mistake, not to mention the bank account with spare cash to purchase other people paint jobs for their cars.



(Heck, were trying to get our Caddy painted, that`s enough).



For the above reason, I always use Meguiar`s sandpapers, compounds, cleaner/polishes, pure polishes, and yes waxes. If the prep products are good enough to do the hard work, (removing defects and creating a clear, high gloss finish, then I trust in the waxes to carry my work over the top.



So yeah... I`m biased, but two things,



1) I admit biased



2) I recognize there are other equally good products on the market. The problem I have with them is a majority of are what I would call an incomplete line.



I`m just a system oriented detailer, whether that`s a blessing or a curse others can decide, all I know is at the end of the day... the results have the final word.



I would cringe at the idea of using 3M, followed by Meguiar`s topped off with brand x. That method of madness just doesn`t fit my thought process.



(Edited because I forgot a couple of things...)



Anyone remember this thread,

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showth...8&pagenumber=2



There was some confusion as to the performance of Tech Wax after posting before and after pictures of a black Corvette.



Here are three pictures,

Before





After ScratchX by hand plus NXT





Sun shot in the middle of the after side





The After side still had plenty of swirls in it. While it was dramatically better than before we started, it was far from perfect. I posted pictures that clearly showed that NXT wasn`t a miracle product. Point being, I might be biased, but I`m not dishonest and the photo`s in this thread show both improvement and a still very badly swirled finish. I could have left the photo`s out that didn`t make the after results look it`s best, but to be honest and to be fair, I posted all of the photo`s.



Same thing in this thread on durability,



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showth...&pagenumber=13



I never have claimed this product to be the most durable of Meguiar`s products, or the competition. The reason why? Because it`s too hard to measure. Personally, I`m not in the durability camp... I`m in the beauty camp. I have always positioned this product as a beauty product, in other words, a show car wax, or last step product.



It may be a very durable wax, and it may be a very protective wax, (both are very different things), but I would never make those claims because I know not only can I not prove it, but it could also come back to haunt me.



Here`s a good thread on protection (not durability).

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showth...threadid=25806





I`m in the car world for the long run. For this reason, I do my best to only say and post things I know are accurate and I know will stand the test of time.



Now... back to cleaning the garage so I can detail a car tomorrow...



Mike

[Steve @ Guru]

Mike,



As always, the info and perspective is appreciated, but I have to make one comment in regard to sticking solely with a single system - it just doesn`t make a whole lot of sense to me.



I always make references to food when trying to draw comparisons in detailing, so I`ll keep it the same here. I like to eat, and as such, I have favorite food products, favorite food stores, favorite restaurants, etc. I like McDonald`s french fries, but I`d never dream of only going to McDonald`s for all of my meals...I like Black Angus Tenderloin, but I`d never dream of having a fillet with ribeye fries and a slice of ground chuck pie. That would be a bit foolish, right?



Same holds true for detailing... I wouldn`t expect any manufacturer to make a line of products that sweep the entire detailing arena. Don`t take this the wrong way, but I really don`t like any of the Meguiar`s Glass Cleaners...so, what do I do? I use something else, like Sprayway or Bon Ami. I don`t really like Meguiar`s wheel cleaners, so I use Eagle One or P21S.... I don`t expect my P21S GEPC to take out all of the swirls, so I use something like an Einszett product, because I find it`s easy to use, provides consistent results and has worked wonderfully for me in the past. And so on, and so on.



For a company to spread itself "thin" by creating a massive line of products, there has to be some level of compromise...you either have to have a ton of specialists on staff, designing, tweaking and adjusting product formulas to stay current with technology (which would in turn, drive product prices high as R&D isn`t cheap), or you have to compromise on some of the quality, if quantity is your main point of interest.



Meguiar`s has a *ton* of detailing products, there`s no questioning that...but, I feel this wide scope of products - the attempt to fill every single void with a product from big M - may result in a few compromises that I`m not comfortable with. So, the manufacturer has to either bite the bullet and hire the staff and devote the resources necessary to develop products without regard to cost, or they have to outsource the product, or they have to focus on what they`re really good at (niche manufacturers).



Niche manufacturers can choose a destination and focus on the product. They don`t have to worry about glass cleaning products if they`re in the tire care business. Likewise, they don`t have to divert their attention to glass products when glass compounds change; they just have to focus on tire compounds and tire products. Much like how racing teams have specialists for their cars - the guy who tunes the engine might not know anything about suspension, and that`s a good thing. He only has his area of expertise to worry about, and as such, he can master his craft. I`m a pretty good tech, but I`d never dream of painting a show car - yeah, I know how to use a HVLP paint gun, but that doesn`t make me an expert painter.



Besides, as a detailing enthusiast, sticking with one product is very limiting. Why not try new things? Might find something that works better than what you had been using, right? Heck, if it weren`t for the basic human desire to try new things, we`d still be crawling in diapers and eating mashed carrots from Gerber jars... it`s our desire to want to learn and experiment that leads us to new experiences and adventures.



So the way I see it, not having a "complete line" is a blessing, not a curse. Just my $0.02...sorry for contributing to the further skew of this thread from its original intent.

[imported_ajbarnes]

Nice write up Mosca.:up

[Mike_Phillips]

Originally posted by geekysteve

So the way I see it, not having a "complete line" is a blessing, not a curse. Just my $0.02...sorry for contributing to the further skew of this thread from its original intent.

Good points, and well taken.



When I say I like to stay in side of a single system, I usually am only thinking of paint products. That`s my thing... polishing paint. I`m not much of a carpet, door panel, trunk mat kind of guy.



Those things are important, but in my life I have only detailed two interior, and both cars had leather, chrome, paint and vinyl and were immaculate to start with. (A 1959 Corvette and a 1967 Lincoln Continental).



But good points.



By the way, you really didn`t like the glass cleaner in the Detailer Line?



I used that as a door opener in Oregon when calling on detail shops and dealerships because it worked so well. Often times when calling on a detail shop it was hard to get in the door because the competition in the detail industry was so well entrenched. Anytime I had trouble I would offer to leave a sample of Meguiar’s Glass Cleaner, D-1301. When I would return, usually a week or two later, they would always buy.



It was the easiest sale I ever made. But you didn`t like it? :nixweiss



Mike

[imported_Aurora40]

Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you are saying Geeky, but you make some pretty big generalizations. I don`t agree that a company that makes a lot of products inevitably has to compromise the quality of them. Nor do I agree that a company that only makes a few products must then do a good job at them. There are examples to point to of companies that make a lot of stuff and do it well, and ones that make only a few products that are really crappy (or at least really compromised on quality). Whatever the feelings or implication about Meguiar`s, I just think that generalization is way too general...

[Steve @ Guru]

I can understand where it might look like I`m using a broad brush for these strokes, but I`ve used and own most of the products that I`m making reference to - I just thought no one would really like to see a list of the 500+ products that I have at my home compiled in a side-by-side comparison test.



I`ve done the whole #9, SMR, Einszett MP, Poorboys SSR-1, Scratch-X, 3M FI-III MG, Mothers, Mothers Pro, Eagle One Glaze, Liquid Ebony, P21S MSR, etc. tests - I think I`ve used close to 20 mild swirl mark removers (similar to #9 and/or SMR)...that`s lead me to like certain products better - ones that fall outside of a single manufacturer`s realm.



Heck, most of us on the board are taking a product like KSG and topping it with everything from PUPP to Souveran... it just further proves the point that the "single best product line" theory might not be always the best choice.



Again, not dinging anyone`s preferences - just sharing my experience and preferences.

[NozeBleedSpeed]

Tom,

I respect your position and I understand your viewpoint. The substance of your post mainly deals with market divisions. You make an excellent presentation on the value of large corporations claiming the market place in ever increasing widespread consumption. Its an important lecture in Business 101. The reason you dont see UPP on the Mega-Lo shelves is because the major market players are all consuming that same shelf space with price driven consumer lines and competing amongst themselves. 4 Star cant compete with the advertising, payola and name recognition. If those shelves werent overflowing with vast lines of mediocre product from well known corporations, there would be more room for great products on those same shelves.



Mike,

I understand. Im not an unhappy customer. I would have bought the product, even if it had been bad, just to try it. I think you know that Im a fan of Meguiars products. On NXT we`ll just have to disagree. No foul. I will say that for now, I`ll stick to those tan bottles.

You are certainly not alone.I dont think anyone here is completely unbiased. Everyone has products that produce that warm fuzzy feeling. For each of us, any challenger that doesnt replace that product will not be viewed as a valid contender.(Sorry, Im a boxing fan)



B-NIS,

Im aware that Mike tries products outside of Megiars lines. I didnt intend for it to sound as if he were ignorant to other products. My point was really that as a Meguiars employee, he is certainly biased in his opinions(as he openly confesses). I just didnt want it to read as an accusation.



newagain,

Do we really have to do this? I really dont see the sport in debating an unarmed man.

[stevet]

NozeBleedSpeed, you be nice to newagain. Showroomlincoln already had to end one thread today. I would hate to see it happen to this thread, I am finding it very interesting.

[NozeBleedSpeed]

Youre right. I went back and put a "winkie" after my comment, so everyone will know it was made in jest.

[AlphaSpread]

NoseBleed, lol, sometimes it`s hard to even figure out what newagain is saying!



GeekySteve, there are those big companies that have to make compromises and then there are also those companies that pretty much suck at everything they make, but still hold the largest marketshare for various reasons (Microsoft!).



I would say Meguiar`s pretty accurately fits the kind of company you describe. I like a lot of products made by Meguairs, but a few truly aren`t worth the plastic they`re encased in!

[JustinR32]

For those who don`t remember, newagain is the same person who was babbling incoherently about secret tests and conspiracies last fall.



NBS, I think we agree on everything other than the importance of the event. When compared to Proctor & Gamble, 3M, DuPont, et al, Meguiar`s IS a small company. It took a company that size 100 years to get an Autopian product to the shelves. UPP doesn`t have a chance... so what is BAD about NXT being there? That high quality products are no longer exclusive?



When I read back through this thread, I think we agree on everything, but with a different belief on what it means now and for the future.





Tom

[NozeBleedSpeed]

Yes Tom. I think we see eye to eye on this subject. I think our only true disagreement is where NXT is positioned in the food chain compared with other top enthusiast products. Mostly because you have a higher opinion of NXT than I do in comparison. I was trying to skirt my opinion of it somewhat and I was missing the mark.



So newagain is the same author of the conspiracy theory of the great Megs coverup? If thats the case, let me be the first to state that I have noticed only very minimal mind control cross-linking from the use of NXT. I think his theory was completely over inflated. His appearance here tells me that he has avoided the highly trained Meguiars hit squad.

[JustinR32]

Yup, I like NXT. IMO it has a nice clean look, very well turned out. When I first used it, and looked at it, I though to myself, "That`s the way I want the car to look." At that point, there`s no need to compare it any further WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS SINGLE USER.



Otherwise, it`s good to be aware of everything else in this thread, and what everyone is thinking; regardless of what you or I think, each others` perspective is still valid (or like we used to say back in the `60s, "That`s HIS movie.")