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    2021 WOWA Sealants?

    After a few rounds with various coatings I think Iím back to my old routine of clay and AIO every nine to 12 or so months. One product Iíve really enjoyed is Optiseal. If it lasted six months outdoors it would be perfect actually, I get about two months before performance decreases with Optiseal. Which is only marginally better than TW SnS.

    My bottle is a decade old and almost finished. What should I replace it with? I need goof proof, plays nice with others and is durable. Bonus points for slickness and beading. A coating-lite is fine as long as it is easy to use and plays nice with anything. Also canít have stuff harden up in a bottle.
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Adams graphene spray coating has same application as optiseal just as easy and it beads really well. It’s even sun friendly.

    here is what I’m usually playing with

    crystal seal by wowo or nu finish ceramic or IGL premier if I want water based spray sealants

    adams graphene coating or spray coating- solvent based coatings that are easy to apply with great beading

    old school sealants duragloss all the way 111 or 105 or 501

    wax’s are dead to me when I buy them I never use them
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    If your Opti-Seal is really 10 years old, there was an improved version that came out in 2012. They also have an SiO2-enhanced version of it called Hyper Seal, a new version of which just came out which also contains SiC. That is in the Opti-Coat line, which you can only buy at the Opticoat (.com) website.
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy View Post
    If your Opti-Seal is really 10 years old, there was an improved version that came out in 2012. They also have an SiO2-enhanced version of it called Hyper Seal, a new version of which just came out which also contains SiC. That is in the Opti-Coat line, which you can only buy at the Opticoat (.com) website.
    I just went and looked at Optimum Hyper-Seal at the Optimum site..
    It`s $49.95 for a 16oz bottle.. plus shipping..
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stokdgs View Post
    I just went and looked at Optimum Hyper-Seal at the Optimum site..
    It`s $49.95 for a 16oz bottle.. plus shipping..
    I never said it was cheap! I haven`t tried any, I still have my original bottle of Opti-Seal from when it came out, along with my bottle of Zaino Clear Seal. Too many waxes, too many other things to do. The shipping at the Optimum store is flat rate, BTW.

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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy View Post
    I never said it was cheap! I haven`t tried any, I still have my original bottle of Opti-Seal from when it came out, along with my bottle of Zaino Clear Seal. Too many waxes, too many other things to do. The shipping at the Optimum store is flat rate, BTW.
    Amigo -
    I never said it was expensive !
    Just trying to help..
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Quote Originally Posted by William_Wallace View Post
    Adams graphene spray coating has same application as optiseal just as easy and it beads really well. Itís even sun friendly.

    here is what Iím usually playing with

    crystal seal by wowo or nu finish ceramic or IGL premier if I want water based spray sealants

    adams graphene coating or spray coating- solvent based coatings that are easy to apply with great beading

    old school sealants duragloss all the way 111 or 105 or 501

    waxís are dead to me when I buy them I never use them
    You`ve got my ear, I`m a huge fan of 105 and 501, the perfect liquid sealants, if they could get FK1000P to apply in the same way, I might throw everything else out the window.


    How is the Nu Finish, the online retailer reviews look terrible!

    Also how durable is Adams Graphene? More durable that DG105?

    Quote Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy View Post
    If your Opti-Seal is really 10 years old, there was an improved version that came out in 2012. They also have an SiO2-enhanced version of it called Hyper Seal, a new version of which just came out which also contains SiC. That is in the Opti-Coat line, which you can only buy at the Opticoat (.com) website.
    I do have the original, the never one at the time was rumored to be marginally more durable, so even if it added a month, I`m not sure it would be enough. Hyper Seal sounds interesting IF it can go six months, I have no issue with the price.

    I`m also toying around with the idea of Sonax PnS, I`m not sure it will make 6 months outdoors, but it really checks all the boxes. My one question with it is, does it actually offer any sort of protection?
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    The concept of Wipe On ,Walk Away (which it what the acronym WOWA stand for) seems counter-intuitive to me. Or more precisely, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." I know many of you SWEAR by Opti-Seal and its use as a drying-aide for 2-bucket washes. But applying something and then let it self-level and dry without any detailer intervention seems, well, hard to believe. But as another cliche says,"Don`t knock it until you`ve tried it."
    (Oh yeah, we forgot. Captain Obvious is also Captain Cliche!)

    Are there other WOWA products out there that I am not aware of?
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Dan,
    When I was Detailing out of the Best German Car Shop in Issaquah, WA., I had a chance to paint correct the Boss`s Jet Black 5 Series.
    It had never been Detailed and was covered in scratches..

    It was easy to paint correct it using Sonax Perfect Finish and my Rotary, and turned out a black, rolling, mirror.
    I finished it with Sonax Polymer Net Shield, and it was just beautiful..

    Sonax Polymer Net Shield applies "grabby" but just control the amount, keep going, wipe it off quickly, and it leaves a great finish and protection..

    The Boss then parked this beautiful, Jet Black Bimmer out in front of the Shop for 1 year.. It got rained on (this is Washington, you know), for most of the year, then there was sporadic sunlight for a couple of months and rain. Snow in Winter.

    The Bimmer was never washed, etc., by me or at the Chevron Station down at the corner..
    I saw it all the time when I came in to work, and it always looked beautiful..

    At the end of that year, I washed it up and it still had the Sonax Polymer Net Shield on it...
    Of course, it was not as strong as it was 1 year ago, but it was still there and this Bimmer paintwork was still beautiful..

    l have always seen that the Less we mess with our paintwork after we LSP it, the better it will be long term...
    Yes, it will eventually need to be refreshed, etc., especially if it`s outside 24/7..

    Exactly when that refresh happens is always the variable that cannot ever be predicted to certainty..

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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    The concept of Wipe On ,Walk Away (which it what the acronym WOWA stand for) seems counter-intuitive to me. Or more precisely, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." I know many of you SWEAR by Opti-Seal and its use as a drying-aide for 2-bucket washes. But applying something and then let it self-level and dry without any detailer intervention seems, well, hard to believe. But as another cliche says,"Don`t knock it until you`ve tried it."
    (Oh yeah, we forgot. Captain Obvious is also Captain Cliche!)

    Are there other WOWA products out there that I am not aware of?
    Amigo,
    Perhaps before your time, but when they were invented, all the clear seal spray products self-leveled just fine...

    Sal Zaino started the ball rolling with his own products, and then others followed suit..

    I have used a lot of Optimum Opti-Seal on several vehicles over the years and it never fails to self level just fine..

    Perhaps because I graduated Summa Cum Laude from the Zaino School of 3 Coats of Z2/Z5 with ZFX, I never have an issue laying down perfectly flat, even layers, I don`t know...

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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    The concept of Wipe On ,Walk Away (which it what the acronym WOWA stand for) seems counter-intuitive to me. Or more precisely, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." I know many of you SWEAR by Opti-Seal and its use as a drying-aide for 2-bucket washes. But applying something and then let it self-level and dry without any detailer intervention seems, well, hard to believe. But as another cliche says,"Don`t knock it until you`ve tried it."
    (Oh yeah, we forgot. Captain Obvious is also Captain Cliche!)

    Are there other WOWA products out there that I am not aware of?
    As Stokdgs noted, Zaino was first out of the gate in I believe Feb. 2007, followed by Optimum in the middle of the year and DavidB with the Ultima line late in 2007. He had been sending out Beta samples of...what was it, Red Dot 14 or something which was a conventional sealant that had the Polycharger ingredient which ultimately (ha) became the Ultima line. I`m pretty sure there is/was Wolfang and Blackfire WOWA`s, and probably some others.

    This has been noted before but Anthony Orosco claims to be responsible for development of WOWA sealants because he asked Dr. G to create a sealant that you could "just wipe on and walk away", and Dr. G purportedly developed Opti-Seal on the way to creating the first version of Opti-Coat. How Zaino beat them to market was a source of consternation for Anthony at the time. Someone with time to search should be able to find the threads with these tidbits.

    But to tie this together, applying a WOWA is a lot like applying a coating, and a WOWA is good practice (and the high spots are a lot easier to remove). I honestly don`t know why WOWA`s didn`t transform the market, even if they don`t last as long as some other products, the ease of reapplication offsets that. I always said if I was starting over, I think that`s all I`d use, on everything, paint, trim, glass, chrome. I mean who wants to go back and wipe off residue, when you can just "wipe on and walk away"?
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    UPGP is the only other one I can think of.

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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    I started looking around for (stand alone) reviews of Hyper Seal. Can`t find anything. As a side note it blows my mind how a grown up with a functioning brain can talk about the durability of two stacked products. Bonus points when they top those or re-apply. Best I can find is Ron @ Optimum saying it lasts 4-6 months, which probably, at least for me means 2-3, which takes it just above TW SnS, so hardly worth it, if at all. All roads keep going back to PNS.

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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    You could look at these coating liteís:

    Gyeon CanCoat
    Adams Graphene Ceramic Spray Coating

    PNS is good. You also have the option to upgrade to their CC36 coating. Itís PNS taken to another level. Rated at one year but can be maintained with the same products as PNS.

    I enjoyed it for what it is. The only downside is you would need two kits for a large vehicle.
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    Re: 2021 WOWA Sealants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I started looking around for (stand alone) reviews of Hyper Seal. Can`t find anything.
    Since those Opti-Coat products are only sold by installers or at the Opti-Coat site, they don`t get much play. A lot of what happens at Optimum seems to be driven by the certified installer base (or maybe a few vocal ones), and they wanted an exclusive line that they could sell to their clients for maintaining their expensive Opti-Coat installation.

 

 
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