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    Would a product like Blackfire’s new foam booster added to your current Waterless wash work to accomplish a similar foaming feat?

    Not sure how that product works, nor if it requires lots of water to rinse to remove all traces, but was just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMeanGreen View Post
    To fully, truly, and technically compare these two products is outside of simple forum posts. What is observable quantitatively and qualitatively are merely observations of physical and chemical changes that are happening down to a sub-atomic level. So the similarities in how like appearing chemicals behave have the plausibility to be completely different from one another in technical form and function.
    What a tribute to the mumbo jumbo that product formulators use to convince consumers that they are doing something "special". The chemistry used in detailing products is not created by the Larry`s or Sal`s etc., it`s created at companies like Dow, Dow Corning, BASF, etc. etc. The only guy that`s doing anything more than formulating may be Dr. G as he creates some (perhaps) unique precursors for his SiC coatings, as compared to the SiO2 coatings that everyone else makes.
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    Here’s the thing that gets me. A lot of speculation and condemnation of something that nobody has even used yet. I am more interested in how foamer because I’m a tool whore and have most other foamers on the market and even the best are Meh. I decided to get the frothe to go along with it because I figured what the hell. I will try the foamer with his product along with others from my collection and report my findings back here along with pictures.
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    Re: AMMO NYC FROTHe

    Coincidentally the last half of the video makes a mention of leaving protection behind, but I think it was more in reference to using Hydrate afterward.



    Quote Originally Posted by Angus View Post
    I’ve only had time to watch 1/2 of Larry’s video on Frothe so far - from what could tell he’s promoting it as a WW on surfaces far too contaminated to safely use any WW on - bubbles or not. There’s no way I’m going to try and clean road salt grime or mud off my car without a prewash at a coin-op first.

    Does anyone know if Frothe leaves an LSP behind? No place on the Ammonyc site does it talk about this aspect.

    Maybe I’m too cheap but $35 for a single bottle is steep - I’ll stick with N-914 until I see Frothe reviews singing it’s prasis.
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    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve met Larry and he’s a great guy! But as far as the foamer being the best on the planet? The head is the same as the Griot’s as far as I can tell from the video. I’ve done the same with Griot’s rinse less wash and it works just as Larry’s does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike lambert View Post
    I’ve done the same with Griot’s rinse less wash and it works just as Larry’s does.
    Wait, with no humectants?!?!

    Seriously, Larry may have, working with his wife or another chemist or another formulator, created a great product, but to suggest he`s created his own chemistry...as I said, is a disservice to real chemists...very few of which actually invent any chemistry.

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    Instagram: www.instagram.com/rayswaydetailing
    Facebook: www.facebook.com/RaysWayDetailing
    Website: www.RaysWayDetailing.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike lambert View Post
    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve met Larry and he’s a great guy! But as far as the foamer being the best on the planet? The head is the same as the Griot’s as far as I can tell from the video. I’ve done the same with Griot’s rinse less wash and it works just as Larry’s does.
    The GG unit does look very similar. Thanks for the heads up. I’m going to order now just to compare.

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    Does the foam really do anything or is it just pretty? Like a foam lance. Not all the foam actually touches the paint. A good slick waterless wash like Wolfgang should do the same minus the pretty foam. I give Larry an Aplus for creativity and salesmanship. I’ll hold off on my purchase until I hear some Autopians reviews. I actually hope it does not leave any protection behind similar to N-914.
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    It’s not just the look of the foam, it’s function of the foam.

    BTW, the former is made by the Italian company EPOCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlmccarty2000 View Post
    Does the foam really do anything or is it just pretty? Like a foam lance. Not all the foam actually touches the paint. A good slick waterless wash like Wolfgang should do the same minus the pretty foam. I give Larry an Aplus for creativity and salesmanship. I’ll hold off on my purchase until I hear some Autopians reviews. I actually hope it does not leave any protection behind similar to N-914.
    I do a lot of mobile work and do a lot of rinseless and waterless washes. While they use much leas water than a traditional BW, they still leave a fair amount of liquid on the ground. Now this has to be cleaned up, especially when doing in customer’s garages and I find foam helps keep more product on the vehicle and less drippage onto the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    Could somebody provide the Cliff`s Notes version for those of us who aren`t gonna find/watch the video?
    In his video, Larry said, "Let me be crystal clear: AMMO FROTHe is a lubricant that helps lift dirt in the worst-case scenario, or in our detailing language, that means dry or non-lubricated paint. In other words, without the assistance of a hose or water; hence the name, “Hoseless Lift.”


    And in the "description" summary below his video, it is written:

    After years of frustration, we finally found the best way to wash our cars SAFELY without the use of "free flowing water". In other words, a hose, pressure washer, foam canon, etc... AMMO Frothe is for those times when using a lubricant, such as water, is not available. If you have a hose, GREAT! Use it. Frothe can be used wet or dry. This product contains humectants that help retain moisture or "lube" to protect the paint during dry or "hoseless" wiping. Regulate the amount of Frothe and towels based on the level of dirt on the paint.
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    Re: AMMO NYC FROTHe

    Another data point at least - interesting test using Frothe to wipe off hardened compound residue on polished black paint at around the halfway mark (ie, paint had been corrected, he slung compound on it, let it dry, then used Frothe to clean it up).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZdPJNdL60

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickclark08 View Post
    Another data point at least - interesting test using Frothe to wipe off hardened compound residue on polished black paint at around the halfway mark (ie, paint had been corrected, he slung compound on it, let it dry, then used Frothe to clean it up).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZdPJNdL60
    I saw this too, but he admits it does leave swirls and scratches. Dried on compound is some tough stuff.
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    JustJesus- Thanks for the summary, hope somebody finds his approach useful.

 

 
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