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    Re: NO REALLY...I MEAN IT THIS TIME!!! Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

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    Is this reference to performance based on actual observation or product claims? I`ve had CanCoat on my car for 10 months and it will easily last a year or longer. I figured CQuartz Lite was similar in durability.
    CQ Lite is definitely more durable. I can see it side by side that it is. Lite has a 1.5 year claim. That is a little inside tidbit. Does not feel as thick/heavy as Cquartz UK.

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    Nit picking but Jon used an out of date bottle of Cancoat and Moonlight and Sandro didn`t seem to know to allow the recommended 7 days before hitting with detergents (he`s using a concentrated iron remover after 72 hours lol).

    Wouldn`t be convinced CQuartz Lite is worth the extra, considering it`s not as slick, not as hydrophobic and Cancoat goes a lot further (for me 8 cars, 2 coats each)? I`ve just polished Cancoat off my wife`s car, 7 months and performing as new hit with BH Auto Foam every week and Power Maxed TFR as a pre-pre wash in winter. That is exceptional performance, can`t comment on Lite but look forward to trying it as a base layer in the future.
    Unless you try it you won`t know. Cquartz Lite is actually more hydrophobic. It has a contact angle of 110 degrees where as CanCoat is 100 degrees. Cquartz lite is based on the CQUK 3.0 formula and it does on thicker than CanCoat. I have a friend who is a pro detailer and he gets about 8 cars with Lite. Slickness is overrated when it comes to coatings. As long as it does the job it is not a deal breaker. Look at the success Sonax has with CC36, PNS and BSD that have no slickness to it.
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    Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Guz View Post
    CQ Lite is definitely more durable. I can see it side by side that it is. Lite has a 1.5 year claim. That is a little inside tidbit. Does not feel as thick/heavy as Cquartz UK.



    Unless you try it you won`t know. Cquartz Lite is actually more hydrophobic. It has a contact angle of 110 degrees where as CanCoat is 100 degrees. Cquartz lite is based on the CQUK 3.0 formula and it does on thicker than CanCoat. I have a friend who is a pro detailer and he gets about 8 cars with Lite. Slickness is overrated when it comes to coatings. As long as it does the job it is not a deal breaker. Look at the success Sonax has with CC36, PNS and BSD that have no slickness to it.
    Unrelated question for you Guz, I ‘ve read on Car Pros global site that CQUK3 now can be wiped on wiped off like Lite. Is this true?






    If so thats a game changer.



    Also what do you think looks wise between CC and CQ lite?

    Lastly could you use light to top off CQUK3 at year mark?

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    Re: NO REALLY...I MEAN IT THIS TIME!!! Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    I don`t doubt what you are saying but it is interesting that both tests concluded that Cancoat beads better than CarPro Lite. My honest opinion? Gyeon understate Cancoat`s actual water repellancy to create a more noticeable visual performance gap to their heavier duty ceramic coatings.

    Cancoat categorically does not have a contact angle less than Gtechniq Exo. I use it specifically to boost Exo v4 (another 110 degree product) to improve hydrophobics - i`d suggest it`s closer to 115.

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    I`m not sure contact angle is the biggest issue. I`d be more concerned about UV protection but that kinda stuff isn`t ever really revealed to the public. I know from personal experience with vinyl stripes and letters that darker colored base/clear fades over time.

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Coatings=crack View Post
    Unrelated question for you Guz, I ‘ve read on Car Pros global site that CQUK3 now can be wiped on wiped off like Lite. Is this true?






    If so thats a game changer.



    Also what do you think looks wise between CC and CQ lite?

    Lastly could you use light to top off CQUK3 at year mark?

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    It has been this way since it came out. It will still be temp and humidity dependent.

    You could put a coat if you wanted to. Lite is based on the CQUK 3.0 formula.

    It is pretty close but Lite darkens just a bit more. The TiO2 helps its reflective look. It almost resembles the look of the CQUK/TiO2 combo that was popular before Gliss came out. CanCoat as you know has a nice look to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by atbalfour View Post
    I don`t doubt what you are saying but it is interesting that both tests concluded that Cancoat beads better than CarPro Lite. My honest opinion? Gyeon understate Cancoat`s actual water repellancy to create a more noticeable visual performance gap to their heavier duty ceramic coatings.

    Cancoat categorically does not have a contact angle less than Gtechniq Exo. I use it specifically to boost Exo v4 (another 110 degree product) to improve hydrophobics - i`d suggest it`s closer to 115.
    I want your calibrated eye to discern between 110 and 115 lol. If you want a noticeable difference then look into Gyeon Skin or SPS/Artdeshine graphene as they have 120 and is very noticeable.
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    I don’t understand contact angle values or they just aren’t accurate from some companies. Why does Cancoat at 110 bead so much better than Wowo’s Contact 121?

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by acuRAS82 View Post
    I don’t understand contact angle values or they just aren’t accurate from some companies. Why does Cancoat at 110 bead so much better than Wowo’s Contact 121?
    This is my point... I`m judging based on comparative performance between products and I`ve found Cancoat to outbead Exo. I`m in no way saying I`ve all the tools to measure between them. The difference is extremely clear.

    Also @ the Guz I`ve heard Budget say the same about Skin but quickly faded and unavailable to buy separately from Mohs . I did see a comparison between all Gyeon coatings on a bonnet and the difference was far smaller than I expected (hence my theory about them understating Cancoat to create a bigger gap to the true money makers).

    Gtechniq also tell you the water drain angle, I suspect there are other factors when it comes to beading bar contact angle which I no longer pay much attention to.

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Products that darken mute metallic flakes. You want as close to optically clear as possible for the most pop.

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Well, so much for one of my `rolling test panels`. Girl we gave this to this Summer escaped relatively unscathed but insurance said "Well, that`s about all for this one..."

    Had coated this with a relatively non-descript coating someone had sent me last January to try...made it about 5200 miles until someone pulled out of a parking lot and took the front end off of the vehicle that was sitting at a stoplight.



    Got a new vehicle/replacement last Friday but no time to mess with it so I just wiped it down w/ Kleen-Strip, then Eraser and used TAC Moonlight for the body, Gyeon CanCoat for the roof.
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Glad to hear the girl is okay. Sorry about the vehicle. Bummer

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

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    Glad to hear the girl is okay. Sorry about the vehicle. Bummer

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    Eh, don`t come outta my pocket although we did eat $2500 depreciation + $500 deductible. Cost of doing business! When we got the new vehicle we told the (previous) driver "Your new vehicle is here!" and she declined, preferring to instead take a 2011 Ford Ranger w/ 120k miles on it.

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    Re: NO REALLY...I MEAN IT THIS TIME!!! Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Guz View Post
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    Unless you try it you won`t know. Cquartz Lite is actually more hydrophobic. It has a contact angle of 110 degrees where as CanCoat is 100 degrees. Cquartz lite is based on the CQUK 3.0 formula and it does on thicker than CanCoat. I have a friend who is a pro detailer and he gets about 8 cars with Lite. Slickness is overrated when it comes to coatings. As long as it does the job it is not a deal breaker. Look at the success Sonax has with CC36, PNS and BSD that have no slickness to it.

    Slickness is something I`m still wrapping my head around. Originally I thought slickness helped with marring resistance since I figured less friction = less marring with all else being equal. Now I guess I prioritize contamination release since 1. dirt rinsed off can`t scratch and 2. fewer wash passes = less chance of marring. If the LSP has to sacrifice a little slickness to get that then so be it; I`ll get my slickness from the shampoo. I also think slickness is one of the characteristics that wears off the quickest for any LSP.
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Dirt release is probably the most important aspect of a coating. I`m not sure that I buy the self cleaning hype though.

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    Well, so much for one of my `rolling test panels`. Girl we gave this to this Summer escaped relatively unscathed but insurance said "Well, that`s about all for this one..."

    Had coated this with a relatively non-descript coating someone had sent me last January to try...made it about 5200 miles until someone pulled out of a parking lot and took the front end off of the vehicle that was sitting at a stoplight.



    Got a new vehicle/replacement last Friday but no time to mess with it so I just wiped it down w/ Kleen-Strip, then Eraser and used TAC Moonlight for the body, Gyeon CanCoat for the roof.
    Interested in your future thoughts on cancoat vs moonlight


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    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    Got a new vehicle/replacement last Friday but no time to mess with it so I just ...
    So you just [did more than most companies would ever do over the whole life of a work vehicle]
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