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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    Title is kinda `ironical`, no? Doh!

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    Re: Coating w/ no real prep...

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    Wiped down w/ heavy and then light application of IGL Pre-Clean then just started to coat. Obviously defects abound, truck was last *correctly* prepped and coated with Gyeon Mohs in Autumn 2016.

    Budget, 3+ years later, did you feel the original coating was still on job or mostly done at this point in time?


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    Re: Coating w/ no real prep...

    Quote Originally Posted by tom p. View Post
    Budget, 3+ years later, did you feel the original coating was still on job or mostly done at this point in time?


    Thanks.
    Looking back thru my notes (and a great example of why I need to write stuff down) I was a bit off on the history of this one.

    "Ranger 6: Gyeon Mohs + Cure applied 02/2017; wash, decon Gyeon CanCoat refresh 10/2017"

    Was an unusually warm few days in February so I pulled a vehicle, brought it home and did it. Yep, prepped and coated a vehicle outside, in the middle of February, in NE Ohio. I actually recall now having to do Iron decon in the shade under a tree cuz the sun was too bright and warm that day. 2017 musta been a nice Winter.

    I think this vehicle also musta been my first use of CanCoat: https://www.autopia.org/forums/detai...ml#post2121972

    These were my impressions about 8 months after initial application, when I dropped the CanCoat on it: https://www.autopia.org/forums/car-d...ml#post2121772

    Mohs was a solid but visually unexciting product in and of itself. I think it`s kinda like Gtech CSL, kinda more hydrophillic than hydrophobic. Hard to say it was `gone` after nearly 3 years but I`d imagine it was, or at least its hydrophobic elements were toast.

    I got the idea to do this yesterday after taking the truck in to get some new tires. Driving back to shop I noticed how relatively clean and shiny the hood looked, figured this one was in decent enough shape to try something quick and easy on...so I did. Is that a testament to Mohs still being there, I dunno. Have a `gut` feeling it was gone though.

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Another interesting project to follow.

    Don`t know what IGL Prep is based on. But something like the Gtechnic Panel Prep or a Wax and Grease Remover used to prep wipe with to get more off the accumulated road film off which usually is mostly oil based. Would have been interesting to see how it would prep the paint. Maybe the IGL desolved much of it or maybe the goal was not to get it as clean as possible with a chemical decon. The solvent carriers is usually very strong in coatings generally speaking. Will be very interesting to hear how you experience the results from this testing.

    Happy New Year budgetplan!

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by SWETM View Post
    Another interesting project to follow.

    Don`t know what IGL Prep is based on. But something like the Gtechnic Panel Prep or a Wax and Grease Remover used to prep wipe with to get more off the accumulated road film off which usually is mostly oil based. Would have been interesting to see how it would prep the paint. Maybe the IGL desolved much of it or maybe the goal was not to get it as clean as possible with a chemical decon. The solvent carriers is usually very strong in coatings generally speaking. Will be very interesting to hear how you experience the results from this testing.

    Happy New Year budgetplan!

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    It`s their citrus-based panel wipe: https://www.autopia-carcare.com/igl-...l#.XguU-4lOk0M

    It`s ok but I`m in a Kleen-Strip, CarPro Eraser phase right now, just trying to use the IGL up...not a big fan.

    Was using Gtech Panel Wipe for a bit, that stuff may be *too* strong. Have heard some mention of it possibly swelling paint? Who knows...heard it in the Interwebs I`m sure and ya know how that goes. I got tired of it evaporating on surface so quickly...large anounts of alcohol in it I think.

    Also wandered past the Van I did in CarPro Cquartz TiO2/Classic in January 2017. Looked good, think guy had taken it thru touchless tunnel before parking inside last Friday. Wiped it down with IGL Precoat as well, went over it with Gyeon CanCoat. Always looks good, figure a little boost to give it a bit more pop this coming season.

    This Cquartz was a quiet but excellent performer given conditions, usage and maint. I`d like to try a base of UK 3 w topcoat of TiO2 sometime...

    Still have the 4 new trucks to do...lotta Race Red paint to cover!

    Happy New Year to you as well!

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    Re: Coating w/ no real prep...

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post

    Hard to say it was `gone` after nearly 3 years but I`d imagine it was, or at least its hydrophobic elements were toast.

    Is that a testament to Mohs still being there, I dunno. Have a `gut` feeling it was gone though.
    Thanks, @BudgetPlan1. I`m just trying to keep closer track of what lasts and what doesn`t. Nothing wrong with 3 years, from my perspective! The only product I can honestly track for an extended period is CQuartz UK. That product seems up to the challenge.
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    Re: Coating w/ no real prep...

    Quote Originally Posted by tom p. View Post
    Thanks, @BudgetPlan1. I`m just trying to keep closer track of what lasts and what doesn`t. Nothing wrong with 3 years, from my perspective! The only product I can honestly track for an extended period is CQuartz UK. That product seems up to the challenge.
    Having an easily accessible fleet of `rolling test panels` helps. Especially when doing some, uh, questionable things you wouldn`t dare do to your personal cars!



    Overall, I found Mohs to be `Ok`...definately needs something on top like CanCoat. It`s kinda boring on it`s own, both aesthetically and functionally. I`d rather use Gtech CSL if I wanted something of that nature to use as a base...its more entertaining to apply and has a bit of a richer look. CSL + CanCoat had a very nice look.
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    IGL is D-limone based, panel wipe is I read somewhere is mixture of solvents and not the norm alcohol based
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by William_Wallace View Post
    IGL is D-limone based, panel wipe is I read somewhere is mixture of solvents and not the norm alcohol based
    Yeah, whole place smelled like a fruit farm after using it. Probably went a little heavy on application

    I remember first trying it before coating a black car, didn`t much care for it. Don`t tell the IGL crowd though...
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    hey man love how you have the freedom and cash flow to polish a bunch of cars and try a lot of coatings wish i could do the same. your page on coatings and graphene was an excellent read! was wondering what do you think of the gtechniq w4? does it do anything? i recently ordered one and wanted to give it a try and was wondering your thoughts on his type of addition to the wash process. worth the extra dough? thanks!

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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

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    hey man love how you have the freedom and cash flow to polish a bunch of cars and try a lot of coatings wish i could do the same. your page on coatings and graphene was an excellent read! was wondering what do you think of the gtechniq w4? does it do anything? i recently ordered one and wanted to give it a try and was wondering your thoughts on his type of addition to the wash process. worth the extra dough? thanks!
    `Tis my good fortune to work for a seasonal company w a fleet of vehicles and an owner who digs his vehicles being clean and shiny. Not much to do in Winter so if I spend my days polishing/coating vans, they`re more than happy to indulge me. Having a heated warehouse to work in is pretty cool too.

    I started using Gtech W4 Citrus Foam last Spring and really like it. I *think* it has a bit more cleaning muscle than something like Gyeon Foam...but who knows for sure.

    Even our daily drivers that sit outside 24/7 stay pretty clean so it`s not like I`m doing heavy cleaning during washes. I use it during Spring/Summer/Fall on our outdoor cars; indoor `fun` cars I just usually foam with regular shampoo (Gyeon Bathe, CarPro Reset, Kamikaze)...they certainly don`t need any extra cleaning power so no need for any extra `oomph` W4 might provide.

    Shooting it all thru a PF22 cannon, SunJoe 3001 pressure washer, MTM shortie gun.

    Who knows if it really makes any real difference w the different foams/shampoos...just kinda accumulated em all and it takes longer than I thought to use `em up. I don`t really like washing cars so much so I do it as little as possible.

    It is fun, though...
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Another year, another couple of red trucks.

    Did one yesterday `just for me` but notable differences for me that were helpful:

    1. Used 20 x 40 Platinum Pluffle`s for prep wipedown (really liking Eraser these days). Much quicker than using smaller towels, can really hose the paint down and quickly clean it up with these bigger `drying` towels. Nice.

    2. While I usually use the `mini` Coating Saver applicators, tried the 3x5 thin Coating Savers this time. Coatings spread out much more nicely, evenly and coating seemed to go farther. For base coat of Miyabi used 20ml for entire truck (2020 Ford Transit E250, no windows) aside from roof (used ISM 2.0 for that).

    Nice changes for me that made for a more pleasurable application.
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Nicely done, budget
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    Re: Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    Another year, another couple of red trucks.

    Did one yesterday `just for me` but notable differences for me that were helpful:

    1. Used 20 x 40 Platinum Pluffle`s for prep wipedown (really liking Eraser these days). Much quicker than using smaller towels, can really hose the paint down and quickly clean it up with these bigger `drying` towels. Nice.

    2. While I usually use the `mini` Coating Saver applicators, tried the 3x5 thin Coating Savers this time. Coatings spread out much more nicely, evenly and coating seemed to go farther. For base coat of Miyabi used 20ml for entire truck (2020 Ford Transit E250, no windows) aside from roof (used ISM 2.0 for that).

    Nice changes for me that made for a more pleasurable application.

    Iím digging the 3x5 Savers for all topper applications. I used the 3x5 on my car when applying Cquartz and a friends a month with the miniís and i think the 3x5 work better. Covers more area and easier to get under door handles.

    I wasnít sure of what to do with my pluffles now that i only use PFMís or air to dry my car. Their really nice for wet application of OC and Cosmic. Been using them alot more lately and think Iím going to try out the 16x16ís



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