Originally Posted by Bill D
Of that I have *no* doubt :xyxthumbs
Originally Posted by Bill D
Of that I have *no* doubt :xyxthumbs
The other thing I notice about 146 thats different than other drying aids is some of them that have some alcohol in them smear LSP - 146 doesnt do this.
Originally Posted by autoaesthetica
Good point.
I`ve also found that some of those "alcohol" QDs can kill off an LSP that`s on its last legs. I once got into a bit of an :argue with my pal Mike Phillips about M34 in that regard; I said it did that because of its alcohol content and Mike said :nono it doesn`t contain alcohol. Seemed like we were arguing over some pretty fine points with regard to what is/isn`t truly "alcohol". But M34 *has* killed off LSPs for me whereas stuff like FK146 boosts them hand helps nearly-dead ones hold on a while longer.
I quit using #34 years ago because it didn`t anything for me. No additional gloss, no cleaning power, maybe it`s okay for removing polish residue, but just not what I was looking for in a QD. I couldn`t really say if it negatively impacted my LSP but if some of its chemical composition at least resembles that of alcohol, or can do the same as it, I can see why those monitoring the longevity of their LSP are reporting it knocking it out.
Treat it like it`s the only one in the world.
Originally Posted by Accumulator
Yep, M34 has no alcohol . Its the tensides in the liquid that actually suspend *lift* away the residues. Amazing stuff, completely forgot about by many but probably one of the best out there - still. What you have noticed is those actives basically lifting away that LSP thats hanging on for dear life.
As Bill D noted as well, M34 leaves nothing behind, its purely meant for inspection and cleaning of a literal sense.
Originally Posted by autoaesthetica
Ah, OK. Heh heh, that`s actually a better explanation that Mike gave me! Thanks for the schoolin`
As Bill D noted as well, M34 leaves nothing behind, its purely meant for inspection and cleaning of a literal sense.
I`ll :argue that a bit; M34 does leave *something* behind, minimal as it may be. I use M34 on all sorts of stuff (besides Automotive applications) and it imparts some kind of residue (meaning that in a good way) that can cause beading/etc. where there were no such effects before its use. Whatever it is, it sure isn`t anything to worry about, probably even paintable, though I`ve never tried that.
It could be the body shop safe resins. ( silicone-free I assume?) They may leave something I don`t really detect compared to what other QDs like FK425 and SS leave behind. Those are slick and clean well enough for me, but sometimes I get streaking from 425, which I attribute to my climate as I notice the streaking is at its peak during the most humid, summer months here.
Treat it like it`s the only one in the world.
I feel like such a friggin nerd with this - I know too much about this crap.
Originally Posted by Bill D
425 streaks in the humidity slightly probably because of the light agitation of your LSP due to the alcohol in 425 I would bet you notice it only with certain lsps of a carnauba nature? I hope?
Originally Posted by Accumulator
M34 is paintable and I think(at least I like to think) whatever beading your seeing is from whatever tension is left on the paint. I think M34 probably has some glycol in it(it makes sense as this is a cleaner) but I think thats what youre seeing. Its like alcohol based glass cleaners really leave nothing on the glass but might use something to do the cleaning(a glycol for example) then a stronger suspender(alcohol in glass cleaner`s case).
Mike,
Fell free to be nerdy when the moment calls for it. That`s what Autopia is all about. :xyxthumbs
Yep, 425 streaks on wax for me but not sealant, It`s principally why I started using SS on my cars with wax. However, I still experience 425 streaking on my sealant at times. I`m going to monitor that during the Fall and Winter once we enter our dry season.
Treat it like it`s the only one in the world.
Mike is correct about the M34; I went right to the source, an MSDS sheet. Final inspection contains:
PNP Glycol Ether
Propylene Glycol
No mention is made of any type of alcohol, and the product is listed as completely water soluble.
Charlie
Automotive Appearance Specialist - Serving Greater Lansing, Michigan
http://www.cchautoappearance.com/
Ah, appreciate that info on the M34, and yeah...one person`s "nerdy excess of knowledge" is somebody else`s "merely well-informed" :xyxthumbs
I`ve used M34 on "perfectly clean" surfaces and it left them slicker. Interesting that you mentioned the glass cleaners as I`ve *used* glass cleaners to clean a surface and then used M34, the diff was noticeable.
Anyhoo...we could talk this stuff to death, huh?!? The stuff we find interesting... :chuckle: but hey, I *do* find it interesting!
Bill D- Now that you mention it, I think I *did* have some issues with FK425 on Collinite back when I was LSPing the Yukon with that :think: Gee, this was years ago, but yeah, I too use SpeedShine (or my old EF Clear Pearl, still haven`t used it all up!) on waxes and leave my other QDs for sealants.
Ya know, I simply never use M34 for "normal QDing", only for use when buffing off compoud/polish residues. Well, I take that back in that I do use it on some interior surfaces now and then. But I probably use it on antiques/etc. a lot more than I do for any automotive application.
I notice 425 plays great with the FK sealants and most of the Meguiars sealants, but *sometimes* can act a fool with some carnaubas - certainly the luxury oily ones, not so much the solventy waxes.
What I always will use M34 is a post polishing wash drying aid, I just dry the car and use M34 to assist - that way I can safely go right to anything I am topping with.
Yep, it acts up with Souveran, thats why I switched to SS-- still no guarantee I won`t get streaking. Doesn`t really matter what I do, lightly mist, switch towels, etc., sometimes I just get it on that. Luckily 425 is more or less okay on the Accord with sealant
Treat it like it`s the only one in the world.
Permanon Supershine aerospace version is a brilliant drying aid/protectant
Car care/detailing sadly isn`t high on the agenda for 98% of australians.
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