Opti-coat users: Whaddya think?

[wannafbody]

I bit my tongue on this before...I`m pretty sure ammonia isn`t just "added" to this product. That`s kind of like cracking open a tube of silicone caulk that smells like vinegar (acetic acid) and saying "hey, why is GE putting vinegar in my caulk?!?!". It`s not "added", it`s part of the chemical makeup of the product that makes it work.

So are you suggesting that the ammonia smell is a result of either the chemical base, additives, or solvents used?

[Setec Astronomy]

So are you suggesting that the ammonia smell is a result of either the chemical base, additives, or solvents used?

Yes, of course! Why else would it smell like that? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I kind of doubt Dr. G was trying to create a product fragrance like that.



I mean really, why do tires have carbon black in them? Not to change the color. Paints have solvents and other ingredients in them to make the product work as intended, not to modify the aroma. It`s called chemical engineering because there are chemicals involved, and some chemicals have distintive odors.

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

That`s completely incorrect. I used a floor soap (not a floor polish) mixed with QD to make a no rinse wash-and it works well.

hOLY CRAP... COMPLETELY INCORRECT?? Floor polish/floor soap one in the same to me... Tomatoe - Toe mawto...

[wannafbody]

hOLY CRAP... COMPLETELY INCORRECT?? Floor polish/floor soap one in the same to me... Tomatoe - Toe mawto...

Floor polish contains an acrylic sealant. Floor soap is just rinseless soap. You don`t have to be a rocket scientist to know that there is a difference but you do have to be able to read a label.

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

Floor polish contains an acrylic sealant. Floor soap is just rinseless soap. You don`t have to be a rocket scientist to know that there is a difference but you do have to be able to read a label.

Look man, I am not going to get into an internet pissing match with you as you seem quite familiar with this type of thing and I have much better uses of my time.,...



As such, this will be my last reply to you due to your condescending and generally abrasive, non value added nature....



Labels ALWAYS tell the truth right.... I mean ALL detailing products that say "polish" are just that right...I mean there is NO WAY a sealant would EVER have the label say a polish right??



I don`t know what high horse you are on or what your attitude is all about but it is pure rubbish... Congrats on being the 1st person on my "ignore" list... Now I just have to find that function on the new Autopia...

[wannafbody]

Wow, you`re a little sensitive about being corrected after posting misleading information as to what processes I use on my vehicles.



I`d think falsifying labels would probably be illegal so I doubt that reputable companies would do so(I`m not claiming that Optimum does so). And I doubt they would misinform their consumers as to what ingredients are put into their products-especially if it`s a case of a product outgassing. 3m and others put warning labels on products to warn consumers of potential issues even if they are remote and unlikely.

[Alfisti]

Give it a rest!! :argue:argue

[Rob Tomlin]

I sure hope that wasn`t directed at me. I`m not a professional detailer and I`ve got nothing to gain by spreading any false information(about any product) which I don`t believe that I have. I`ve simply asked some questions and presented an opposing viewpoint.

Actually there is a term for what you did, and it`s called FUD.

[Anthony O.]

I don`t get the argument here. I know that there are many people, both pro and enthusiast, that are very loyal to one particular brand and it seems to me that there is a bit of a rival between Optimum users and Zaino users but I can`t grasp as to why that is?



The markets each is seeking to reach are different. One is mainly for enthusiast while one is mainly for the Pro/body shop users.



Wannafbody you have every right to ask questions if you`re really seeking to understand the products but your questioning and attitude comes across more as arguing for the sake of arguing.



Let`s be real honest here. If Opti-Coat had a "Z" on the label we wouldn`t be having this conversation because the person questioning would be told to "call Sal, he will answer your questions" -OR- "Stop hating on Zaino!" You would perhaps be on these forums touting the incredible durability of another Zaino product......"Zaino does it again!"



Yet when asked why Sal doesn`t come on and explain his products you chirp back with this brilliance....."He is counting his money" Maybe that`s true. This would then possible mean that Sal is more interested in making money then answering questions......or maybe it just means he is a smart business man because he can produce at a low cost then sell at a high profit and since you buy his products what does that make you?



See how silly and petty things can get? And they are just car products!



Optimum is not out after the Zaino market, why? Again 2 different markets and there are plenty of users to support both plus many others so relax. You come across at times as if you feel Zaino is being threatened in some way and it effects you personally.



Anthony

[Chris@Optimum]

It`s evident to the reader who is knowledgeable and who just cant wrap their head around the new technology. I think the readers can tell for their selves who to listen to. Fortunately you don`t have to know the formulation to be and end user for OptiCoat or any other automotive product. I say we all leave wannafbody alone to his speculations...and choice to use floor cleaner on his paint. I mean, after all it is his paint. That being said, I`m glad Dr. G made the clarification about polymers that are "indoor" and "outdoor" friendly so that no noobs come on, see wannafbody`s post count, and think that playing chemist is the accepted norm of this community.

[Kean]

I don`t get the argument here. I know that there are many people, both pro and enthusiast, that are very loyal to one particular brand and it seems to me that there is a bit of a rival between Optimum users and Zaino users but I can`t grasp as to why that is?



The markets each is seeking to reach are different. One is mainly for enthusiast while one is mainly for the Pro/body shop users.



Wannafbody you have every right to ask questions if you`re really seeking to understand the products but your questioning and attitude comes across more as arguing for the sake of arguing.



Let`s be real honest here. If Opti-Coat had a "Z" on the label we wouldn`t be having this conversation because the person questioning would be told to "call Sal, he will answer your questions" -OR- "Stop hating on Zaino!" You would perhaps be on these forums touting the incredible durability of another Zaino product......"Zaino does it again!"



Yet when asked why Sal doesn`t come on and explain his products you chirp back with this brilliance....."He is counting his money" Maybe that`s true. This would then possible mean that Sal is more interested in making money then answering questions......or maybe it just means he is a smart business man because he can produce at a low cost then sell at a high profit and since you buy his products what does that make you?



See how silly and petty things can get? And they are just car products!



Optimum is not out after the Zaino market, why? Again 2 different markets and there are plenty of users to support both plus many others so relax. You come across at times as if you feel Zaino is being threatened in some way and it effects you personally.



Anthony

^^^^ ....couldn`t have said it better myself.



I started following this thread at its inception because (like SuperBee), I’m interested to see how well this product has been performing. Unfortunately, it quickly degenerated into “what if� scenarios based on assumptions about the removability of the product, legal waivers, etc. which really wasn`t the point of the thread. I understand if a member brings up a concern but when explanations get easily dismissed and they don’t want to go out of their way to consult the source (and basically ignore them when they do chime in), it’s really pointless. ….and really obvious what their motives are.

[imported_dfazekas]

Not at all man.

I wish I did though.

I`ll probably get around to learning some stuff one day.



You`re hungarian, yeah?

[imported_dfazekas]

Yep, welcome to the forum David!



Hey Donald, still speak Hungarian?

Not at all man

I wish I did though

I`ll get around to learning it one day



You`re hungarian, yeah?

[mikenap]

Wow, you`re a little sensitive about being corrected after posting misleading information as to what processes I use on my vehicles.



I`d think falsifying labels would probably be illegal so I doubt that reputable companies would do so(I`m not claiming that Optimum does so). And I doubt they would misinform their consumers as to what ingredients are put into their products-especially if it`s a case of a product outgassing. 3m and others put warning labels on products to warn consumers of potential issues even if they are remote and unlikely.

It`s not falsifying labels. Zaino and Duragloss both label their sealants as polishes. Just how they define polishes I guess.

[wannafbody]

I don`t get the argument here. I know that there are many people, both pro and enthusiast, that are very loyal to one particular brand and it seems to me that there is a bit of a rival between Optimum users and Zaino users but I can`t grasp as to why that is?



The markets each is seeking to reach are different. One is mainly for enthusiast while one is mainly for the Pro/body shop users.



Wannafbody you have every right to ask questions if you`re really seeking to understand the products but your questioning and attitude comes across more as arguing for the sake of arguing.



Let`s be real honest here. If Opti-Coat had a "Z" on the label we wouldn`t be having this conversation because the person questioning would be told to "call Sal, he will answer your questions" -OR- "Stop hating on Zaino!" You would perhaps be on these forums touting the incredible durability of another Zaino product......"Zaino does it again!"



Yet when asked why Sal doesn`t come on and explain his products you chirp back with this brilliance....."He is counting his money" Maybe that`s true. This would then possible mean that Sal is more interested in making money then answering questions......or maybe it just means he is a smart business man because he can produce at a low cost then sell at a high profit and since you buy his products what does that make you?



See how silly and petty things can get? And they are just car products!



Optimum is not out after the Zaino market, why? Again 2 different markets and there are plenty of users to support both plus many others so relax. You come across at times as if you feel Zaino is being threatened in some way and it effects you personally.



Anthony

Maybe that`s your perspective, but if you remember I used to be quite skeptical of some of the claims made by Zaino users. Way before OptiCoat was announced I asked Sal if it was possible to make a product that could "fix" certain paint defects and be permanent. He indicated that certain things could be created within certain perameters that would accomplish certain goals but that he wasn`t interested in making those products because there wasn`t enough market to justify the cost in his opinion.



BTW, I`m not making any claim about OC being a hazardous material since I don`t know what DR G is cooking up over the wood fire in the bathtub under the big oak tree next to the Jack Daniels plant but I have been in some places and have seen some resins, polymers and coatings and know just a couple things about how they are handled and disposed of to warn people that some stuff out there just might not be as safe as people assume it to be. But I must also add a legal disclaimer, in the words of Schultz, I KNOW NOTHING