Where`s the "Really impressed with Meguiar`s as of late" thread?

**stiffdogg06** · 03-27-2009, 12:04 PM

What`s done is done. There WILL be and ARE other detailers out there that are just as good and has a lot of knowledge to spread.

If you can`t be honest that you are trying to hype a company/product without letting the owners of the site know and try to manipulate the thread views, then that is YOUR loss. No one elses. :sosad

David - I applaud you with the investigation you`ve put through whether it is true or not. I am glad to be apart of a community and site that is HONEST.:woot:

**Bobby G** · 03-27-2009, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Scottwax

If that is what happened, I really don`t understand it. I think Todd`s work stands on its own merit. No need to go through all that trouble to garner extra attention.

Not saying I understand it... or for that matter even care... I just know what I see in my server logs and what plays out here. The rules are clear. Multiple accounts are a one-way trip to Banville and vendors are requested to identify themselves. Both rules are reasonable.

**imported_Jakerooni** · 03-27-2009, 12:29 PM

OK one last chime in I guess. But I`m so lost on all the lingo that goes on here. But can someone tell me what the heck CMA is? I thought he was pushing Mequires?

And davidB I think your spot on here. rules are rules and that should be that. Just a shame but it seems that while Todd is the center of attention here other detailers that have skills might be caught up or involved in this.

**imported_Detailing Technology** · 03-27-2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jakerooni

OK one last chime in I guess. But I`m so lost on all the lingo that goes on here. But can someone tell me what the heck CMA is? I thought he was pushing Mequires?

And davidB I think your spot on here. rules are rules and that should be that. Just a shame but it seems that while Todd is the center of attention here other detailers that have skills might be caught up or involved in this.

Proper Auto Care.

Its also a commonly used component in a lot of corp name. Cover My A$$.

**blk45** · 03-27-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by EisenHulk

My apologies, Eric. I know you`re in the Orlando area, and I think you know Todd personally, but before this, I could remember your real name. Sorry...just a case of mistaken identity.

No hard feelings, I hope.

No problem Casey. I`m actually in the Tampa area. I just wanted to clarify things in this whole "As the rotary turns" saga. It always amazes me how the "drama" threads out pace informative threads 100/1. Pathetic.

**Eisen Hulk** · 03-27-2009, 01:00 PM

Thanks, Eric. I guess if I actually used my reading skills from time to time, I`d see that it clearly states you`re in the Tampa area.

I`ve been known to behave like an idiot from time to time. :grinno:

Originally Posted by blk45

No problem Casey. I`m actually in the Tampa area. I just wanted to clarify things in this whole "As the rotary turns" saga. It always amazes me how the "drama" threads out pace informative threads 100/1. Pathetic.

**stiffdogg06** · 03-27-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jakerooni

OK one last chime in I guess. But I`m so lost on all the lingo that goes on here. But can someone tell me what the heck CMA is? I thought he was pushing Mequires?

And davidB I think your spot on here. rules are rules and that should be that. Just a shame but it seems that while Todd is the center of attention here other detailers that have skills might be caught up or involved in this.

Proper Auto Care where he is a current employee at.

**gtpaul** · 03-27-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by stiffdogg06

Proper Auto Care where he is a current employee at.

doing what? packing my order?

**MichaelM** · 03-27-2009, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by stiffdogg06

Proper Auto Care where he is a current employee at.

After reading all this and then going to Proper Auto Care`s site I got a little laugh seeing that they call their forum "Truth in Detailing".

**htodd** · 03-27-2009, 01:53 PM

I feel like I`m being really dense here but...

1) What would the motivation be for someone (not affiliated with this site) to "artificially" drive a lot of extra traffic to this site?

2) Why is driving extra traffic to this site a bad thing? (I understand the multiple accounts no-no.)

I`ve been a member here for years, but never really spent a lot of time here until recently. I think I`ve only read a few threads from the party(s) involved; I`m just trying to get an understanding of that the deal is.

**Setec Astronomy** · 03-27-2009, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sockmonkey

I feel like I`m being really dense here but...

1) What would the motivation be for someone (not affiliated with this site) to "artificially" drive a lot of extra traffic to this site?

2) Why is driving extra traffic to this site a bad thing? (I understand the multiple accounts no-no.)

I`ve been a member here for years, but never really spent a lot of time here until recently. I think I`ve only read a few threads from the party(s) involved; I`m just trying to get an understanding of that the deal is.

I think you`re misunderstanding. Autopia, being a free site (to members), survives on advertising and paid sponsorship. For some reason that I don`t quite understand, some detailers develop a rabid cult following like a rock star, actor, or sports figure. People want to use the products they use, so they can feel like an "elite" detailer also...or something like that. If a non-sponsor, through "product placement", gets said detailer to use their products, they are effectively getting free advertising through the community.

The second thing that the Mayor mentioned, was that when those type of threads get linked on another forum ("hey, Lambo owners, I just detailed a Gallardo, go to Autopia to see the thread!"), the traffic costs server bandwidth, which costs money.

**termigator** · 03-27-2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

I think you`re misunderstanding. Autopia, being a free site (to members), survives on advertising and paid sponsorship. For some reason that I don`t quite understand, some detailers develop a rabid cult following like a rock star, actor, or sports figure. People want to use the products they use, so they can feel like an "elite" detailer also...or something like that. If a non-sponsor, through "product placement", gets said detailer to use their products, they are effectively getting free advertising through the community.

The second thing that the Mayor mentioned, was that when those type of threads get linked on another forum ("hey, Lambo owners, I just detailed a Gallardo, go to Autopia to see the thread!"), the traffic costs server bandwidth, which costs money.

Good explanation. Thanks.

**Bobby G** · 03-27-2009, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

I think you`re misunderstanding. Autopia, being a free site (to members), survives on advertising and paid sponsorship. For some reason that I don`t quite understand, some detailers develop a rabid cult following like a rock star, actor, or sports figure. People want to use the products they use, so they can feel like an "elite" detailer also...or something like that. If a non-sponsor, through "product placement", gets said detailer to use their products, they are effectively getting free advertising through the community.

The second thing that the Mayor mentioned, was that when those type of threads get linked on another forum ("hey, Lambo owners, I just detailed a Gallardo, go to Autopia to see the thread!"), the traffic costs server bandwidth, which costs money.

Good points, but it goes deeper than that.

When someone with "credibility" -- be it deserved or not -- mentions a product in a positive way, it generates sales. Now, this is not a bad thing, it is a good thing because our economy needs sales.

HOWEVER, when a person`s motivations are less than honest, you don`t know if a recommendation is being given because they are being financially rewarded or because it is the truth. This is why the Moderators and I hunt down shills like the dogs that they are. No one wants to be fooled (even if it is a good product).

Here`s another point. How much additional work do you think a post-o-matic detailer can get if he shows all the hot cars he details? The answer is "a whole lot" if you promote your work properly.

Frankly, I`m not impressed and I think this community has been bamboozled by photography and a lot of hot air. That`s my opinion, but from what I can see I don`t think I`m far off the mark.

:bat

**htodd** · 03-27-2009, 03:21 PM

Thanks DavidB and Setec for the explanations. Indeed, I was being dense.

**termigator** · 03-27-2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by DavidB

Good points, but it goes deeper than that.

When someone with "credibility" -- be it deserved or not -- mentions a product in a positive way, it generates sales. Now, this is not a bad thing, it is a good thing because our economy needs sales.

HOWEVER, when a person`s motivations are less than honest, you don`t know if a recommendation is being given because they are being financially rewarded or because it is the truth. This is why the Moderators and I hunt down shills like the dogs that they are. No one wants to be fooled (even if it is a good product).

Here`s another point. How much additional work do you think a post-o-matic detailer can get if he shows all the hot cars he details? The answer is "a whole lot" if you promote your work properly.

Frankly, I`m not impressed and I think this community has been bamboozled by photography and a lot of hot air. That`s my opinion, but from what I can see I don`t think I`m far off the mark.

:bat

IIRC, someone admitted as much that they post their works in the Click N` Brag section so everyone can see his work and contact him for business. I`m sure he`s not the only one that does it for the free advertising. :chuckle: