New M105 is kicking but w/ KB method

**Todd@RUPES** · 03-10-2009, 01:17 PM

Talking with Kevin Brown for the first time several months ago was the most educational experience I ever had when it relates to learning paint correction. I thought I was `knowledgeable`... Kevin Brown is like an Autopilot who has been trying to improve for the last 15 years. When most detailers say they have 10 years experience, they are saying they have 3 months experience times 60 or whatever. They stopped learning a long time ago and their work has never gotten better.

Kevin is the exact opposite, hell it is humbling to speak with him. He has 15 years experience but it is more like 30, easily the most knowledgeable person I have spoken with in terms of the bar bone`s science of paint correction and a gentleman to boot!

**SuperBee364** · 03-10-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by gmblack3a

KBM kicking but again for me today. Infiniti M35 you know the one with the "hard clearcoat"

Stunning... Jawdropping.. can`t find suitable words, even...

Bryan, is this 105 or 205, and what machine/color pad/size pad? Would PC/4" LC orange foam be appropriate? And is that pic a one-step or two?

Sorry for all the questions, but wow... this is a whole new ball game.

Originally Posted by TH0001

Talking with Kevin Brown for the first time several months ago was the most educational experience I ever had when it relates to learning paint correction. I thought I was `knowledgeable`... Kevin Brown is like an Autopilot who has been trying to improve for the last 15 years. When most detailers say they have 10 years experience, they are saying they have 3 months experience times 60 or whatever. They stopped learning a long time ago and their work has never gotten better.

Kevin is the exact opposite, hell it is humbling to speak with him. He has 15 years experience but it is more like 30, easily the most knowledgeable person I have spoken with in terms of the bar bone`s science of paint correction and a gentleman to boot!

I`m speechless.... now that my honey-do list is a little shorter, I think I`ll go try out my 205 sample.

**imported_Denzil** · 03-10-2009, 05:44 PM

I`m going to guess that Bryan used M205 on a 5.5" orange pad on the PC. Wonder how close I am to that guess...

**gmblack3** · 03-10-2009, 06:26 PM

Bee, That is M105 via KBM w/ a 6" orange pad followed by M205 on a while LC. Everything done with a PC.

**blk45** · 03-10-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Denzil

I`m going to guess that Bryan used M205 on a 5.5" orange pad on the PC. Wonder how close I am to that guess...

Close, but no cigar!

Just messing with you Denz!

Originally Posted by gmblack3a

M205 on a while LC. Everything done with a PC.

**imported_Detailing Technology** · 03-10-2009, 07:09 PM

I see the Makita BO6040 is on back order in most places. I guess people are ramping up for the KBM and random orbit polishing?

**imported_Denzil** · 03-10-2009, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by blk45

Close, but no cigar!

Just messing with you Denz!

Dang, almost!

Originally Posted by jdoria

I see the Makita BO6040 is on back order in most places. I guess people are ramping up for the KBM and random orbit polishing?

Oh yeah? I didn`t even know Makita made a random-orbit machine.

**Scottwax** · 03-10-2009, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sludge

Sounds like the Cyclo might work well with this new polishing method.

Or with a rotary and Dynabrade attachment...which now it back on the "buy" list for me after my 2nd G110 died.

**sdkid** · 03-10-2009, 08:35 PM

Can`t wait for the complete write up, so the flex is a little harder to use in this set up because it is more complex to control it versus the pc?

I am ordering a flex kit soon with menzerna kit on autogeek.net along with the M105 and M205 because of hearing the results people are getting. I might change it around depending on how the flex works toward it, but we will see. BTW, this will be my first detailing machine. Doing alot of research before i make my finaly purchase.

- T

**Scottwax** · 03-10-2009, 09:49 PM

To those using this method-do you see any advantage to doing the final polishing with the rotary and Ultrafina? I find that on softer paints you can get buffer haze even with finishing pads and polishes on the A pillar and other tight areas when using a DA buffer that I don`t experience with a rotary.

**Setec Astronomy** · 03-10-2009, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by TH0001

When most detailers say they have 10 years experience, they are saying they have 3 months experience times 60 or whatever. They stopped learning a long time ago and their work has never gotten better.

True that...and not just about detailing.

**SuperBee364** · 03-10-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by gmblack3a

Bee, That is M105 via KBM w/ a 6" orange pad followed by M205 on a while LC. Everything done with a PC.

Thanks for that, Bryan. I`m kind of surprised that the 6" pad is small enough. Conventional wisdom used to be that you needed as small of a pad as you could get for max correction on a PC. I used to use those 4 (or was it 4.5?) inch LC foam pads when I was correcting with a PC. The bigger pads just caused the PC to bog down.

One last question....Is the KB method OK to use with the original formula 105? I have some of the new stuff on order, but I`d like to use up my old stuff if it`ll work.

**EBPcivicsi** · 03-11-2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Scottwax

To those using this method-do you see any advantage to doing the final polishing with the rotary and Ultrafina? I find that on softer paints you can get buffer haze even with finishing pads and polishes on the A pillar and other tight areas when using a DA buffer that I don`t experience with a rotary.

Try using a stiffer pad, or with a finishing pad on a DA slow the speed down to say 4 and use very little pressure. We are talking about micromarring with the DA right? For some soft paints it can be very tricky (at first) finishing down with a DA.

I also find that FPII can work really well in these instances...

**Scottwax** · 03-11-2009, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by ebpcivicsi

Try using a stiffer pad, or with a finishing pad on a DA slow the speed down to say 4 and use very little pressure. We are talking about micromarring with the DA right? For some soft paints it can be very tricky (at first) finishing down with a DA.

I also find that FPII can work really well in these instances...

The best I`ve found at avoiding or minimizing the micromarring with the DA is Pink Moose and a finishing pad. Still, it can be a problem on cars with soft black paint like 335`s and G35`s.

I still think you can get a higher gloss via rotary, so I think the KBM followed by a finishing polish and pad combo that doesn`t hologram (when used properly, of course!) will still give you a better look than finishing with the DA.

**Accumulator** · 03-11-2009, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Scottwax

..I still think you can get a higher gloss via rotary, so I think the KBM followed by a finishing polish and pad combo that doesn`t hologram (when used properly, of course!) will still give you a better look than finishing with the DA.

Did you find that to be the case when you were using the Cyclo as your DA?

It might be a matter of the paint or some other variable, but I definitely don`t see a diminishing of gloss when I follow my rotary work with the Cyclo.