New M105 is kicking but w/ KB method

**dublifecrisis** · 03-04-2009, 01:08 PM

well I think it`s like learning a new system at work. At first, you`re overwhelmed a little but with a few sessions, it`s starts becoming second nature.

I remember when an ONR wash took me an hour...LOL

**PorscheGuy997** · 03-04-2009, 01:09 PM

Let`s give the paper some time...

Kevin has worked his tail off on this paper. The earliest I heard about the paper was back in October.

I`m sure that the paper will be extremely helpful once you read it.

**imported_weekendwarrior** · 03-04-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by MDRX8

So what I get from this is there is a polishing method that works great. But know one can explain it in simple steps. So that leaves out the novice from understanding what it is.

Not exactly. It is a pretty simple concept, based a lot on "common sense" type principles. To understand the process, you kind of have to know Kevin. He is a very scientific guy. In other words, he doesn`t just try something once or twice, get good results, then post it as fact. He researches the heck out of his methods and theories, in this case, I know he is even checking some things out with the guys at Meguiar`s. The point of a looooong write up, is that I think he wants to supply a lot of factual support that he has gathered through his research to back up his theories and methods. But, to answer your question, I think it will be an easy method for a novice, but it`s important to read all of the information he is gathering to thoroughly understand how the method works.

**gmblack3** · 03-04-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by weekendwarrior

Not exactly. It is a pretty simple concept, based a lot on "common sense" type principles. To understand the process, you kind of have to know Kevin. He is a very scientific guy. In other words, he doesn`t just try something once or twice, get good results, then post it as fact. He researches the heck out of his methods and theories, in this case, I know he is even checking some things out with the guys at Meguiar`s. The point of a looooong write up, is that I think he wants to supply a lot of factual support that he has gathered through his research to back up his theories and methods. But, to answer your question, I think it will be an easy method for a novice, but it`s important to read all of the information he is gathering to thoroughly understand how the method works.

Its not really that difficult.

Wait till you try M205. For me on the black lexus, 205 cleaned up the micro marring that 105 left with a gray LC pad with the PC on 4. :clap:

I am still refining the KB method with 105. I had a good amount of micro marring on the black lexus, I think due to how severe the defects where. IOW I had to hammer down with lots of pressure to get 90% of the defects out. But like I said M205 is cleaning that up with ease.

Back at it.

**gmblack3** · 03-04-2009, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by MDRX8

So what I get from this is there is a polishing method that works great. But know one can explain it in simple steps. So that leaves out the novice from understanding what it is.

Its different. When Todd first explained it to me on the phone I was like WTH are you talking about? Everything has a learning curve. Think about removing severe defects or 2500 wetsanding marks with a PC. IPA wipedowns for me (5x on a few different cars) show no filling.

**RaskyR1** · 03-04-2009, 02:15 PM

Been hearing a lot about this method lately, can`t wait to give it a try!

Thanks Kevin for all the time invested! :thx

**gbackus** · 03-04-2009, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin Brown

I asked that it be removed because the information that was posted is part of a much bigger paper that I am really trying to get posted by the weekend. I asked that it be removed, and apologize if it was the wrong thing to do. The info was sent via e-mail to clarify the procedure to a member, and I said it would be okay to use the info to adjust or add to his post (referring to the `method`)... The entire e-mailed procedure was mistakenly posted!

Sorry for the confusion.

I look forward to finishing the `paper` and posting it ASAP.

The method as outlined in this thread is close to correct, but a couple of sentences added to it should hold over for the next few days.

Brian can add those points to his post if he chooses to do so.

Weekend warrior can add or modify it also, as has the e-mail, too, and knows what is specifically missing.

The big paper not only outlines the `method` but also explains the reasoning behind why I think it works so well. It also contains lots of random info about R/O polishers, pads, saturation, backing plates, and other stuff. I tried to add some new advice (or a different take on the info already out there). It was fun to write but has taken a lot of time to dial in.... So I didn`t want to jump the gun and post just the condensed version of the Todd Helme named `Kevin Brown Method`. :grinno:

I have a rough, early version of this paper, and all I can say is that you guys will be VERY PLEASED with the final product.

**DM101** · 03-04-2009, 02:21 PM

So as a introduction it would be nice to know what Kevin`s process involves. Like the product, the basic steps involved, and the final result. There are 4 pages here but it is not clear to me anyway, what is going on ??? You take M105 put it on a pad and the finish looks great ??????

Originally Posted by weekendwarrior

Not exactly. It is a pretty simple concept, based a lot on "common sense" type principles. To understand the process, you kind of have to know Kevin. He is a very scientific guy. In other words, he doesn`t just try something once or twice, get good results, then post it as fact. He researches the heck out of his methods and theories, in this case, I know he is even checking some things out with the guys at Meguiar`s. The point of a looooong write up, is that I think he wants to supply a lot of factual support that he has gathered through his research to back up his theories and methods. But, to answer your question, I think it will be an easy method for a novice, but it`s important to read all of the information he is gathering to thoroughly understand how the method works.

**citizen arcane** · 03-04-2009, 02:47 PM

So....is this the best way to prime foam pads for this method (scroll about half way down the thread)

Priming a Pad - Car Care Forums: Meguiar`s Online

Am looking forward to the complete write up!

**gmblack3** · 03-04-2009, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by MDRX8

So as a introduction it would be nice to know what Kevin`s process involves. Like the product, the basic steps involved, and the final result. There are 4 pages here but it is not clear to me anyway, what is going on ??? You take M105 put it on a pad and the finish looks great ??????

Yep sounds like you have it all figured out. :think2

**Bigpoppa3346** · 03-04-2009, 03:48 PM

This may have been mentioned, but does this method only work with the new 105 or can it be used with the older stuff?

**BigJimZ28** · 03-04-2009, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bigpoppa3346

This may have been mentioned, but does this method only work with the new 105 or can it be used with the older stuff?

from what I understand

it will work with any of the "new" stuff

**Pats300zx** · 03-04-2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin Brown

I asked that it be removed because the information that was posted is part of a much bigger paper that I am really trying to get posted by the weekend. I asked that it be removed, and apologize if it was the wrong thing to do. The info was sent via e-mail to clarify the procedure to a member, and I said it would be okay to use the info to adjust or add to his post (referring to the `method`)... The entire e-mailed procedure was mistakenly posted!

Sorry for the confusion.

I look forward to finishing the `paper` and posting it ASAP.

The method as outlined in this thread is close to correct, but a couple of sentences added to it should hold over for the next few days.

Brian can add those points to his post if he chooses to do so.

Weekend warrior can add or modify it also, as has the e-mail, too, and knows what is specifically missing.

The big paper not only outlines the `method` but also explains the reasoning behind why I think it works so well. It also contains lots of random info about R/O polishers, pads, saturation, backing plates, and other stuff. I tried to add some new advice (or a different take on the info already out there). It was fun to write but has taken a lot of time to dial in.... So I didn`t want to jump the gun and post just the condensed version of the Todd Helme named `Kevin Brown Method`. :grinno:

No worries at all Kevin. We are all looking forward to your write up...:woot2:

**PorscheGuy997** · 03-04-2009, 03:57 PM

You can use the method with M105, M95, and D151.

These contain abrasives that do not break down. If you use a product that uses abrasives that break down, there might be some inconsistent polishing because the abrasives break down randomly.

**BigJimZ28** · 03-04-2009, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by PorscheGuy997

You can use the method with M105, M95, and D151.

These contain abrasives that do not break down. If you use a product that uses abrasives that break down, there might be some inconsistent polishing because the abrasives break down randomly.

so it should also work with

205, MUC, Swirl-x, scratch-x v2

as I think they have the same

non-diminishing abrasive technology