Zymol Concours v/s Swissvax Concours

**Cooter** · 03-08-2008, 10:28 PM

Hey Guys,

I`ve been thinking about purchasing one of the two. Which do you feel is the better of the two. As far as looks, depth, gloss, reflection and application. I`m just wanting some opinions.

Heath

**execdetails** · 03-08-2008, 10:35 PM

`Heath,\r\nI have a high end detail shop in NY and just became a factory authorized Swissvax Detailing center. I have used Zymol for many years and found it difficult to work with. The higher end Zymol(Concour/Vintage) are outstanding waxes but are extremely expensive. Swissvax is much easier to use and offers a full line of products for the entire car. Both processes require a cleaner fluid application and then a wax application. I could go on forever so if you have specific question please feel free to PM me.`

**superstring** · 03-10-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Execdetails

`Heath,\r\nI have a high end detail shop in NY and just became a factory authorized Swissvax Detailing center. I have used Zymol for many years and found it difficult to work with. The higher end Zymol(Concour/Vintage) are outstanding waxes but are extremely expensive. Swissvax is much easier to use and offers a full line of products for the entire car. Both processes require a cleaner fluid application and then a wax application. I could go on forever so if you have specific question please feel free to PM me.`

With all due respect, Zymol Concours and Swissvax Concorso are about the same price ($200 - $300), whereas Vintage is ~$2000!

Cooter, if you go to the Detailing World website (UK), you`ll find a lot of info comparing Zymol Concours and SV Best of Show (which, for all intents and purposes, is the same as Concorso). That`s what I did when it came to deciding between the two. You`ll find people who prefer Concours and people who prefer BOS/Concorso. In the end I went with Concorso because I felt, from the descriptions and images, BOS/Concorso was going to give me the "look" I was after. (I can`t give you my own take `cause I haven`t used it yet, but it sure smells good! :p )

**stiffdogg06** · 03-10-2008, 07:05 PM

I can`t say anything about Zymol because I don`t use any of their stuff.

But Concorso is amazing. Looks awesome on every color, its about $50 more expensive than Concours. Concorso also cleans AMAZINGLY well!

Plus I have heard Concorso is easier to work with.

My vote goes to Concorso.

**imported_Detailing Technology** · 03-10-2008, 07:11 PM

http://autopia.org/forum/click-brag/...x-mystery.html

**lbls1** · 03-10-2008, 07:11 PM

I am a veteren of EGZymol Concours, and personally I feel that it can render excellent results (Edit: Outstanding range of reflective depth, very good color rendering, good gloss. Zymols typically do not feature a lot of gloss in the lower layering stages, but three to five layerings of an EG Zymol will produce a well rounded sampling of gloss and reflectivity). I have also heard very good things about concourso (SV). Your best bet would be to try to get a sampling of both waxes and see which result you like the best. If you are not able to sample both at the same time (both waxes are expensive), then try a jar of either the zymol or the sv first, and then when one jar is used up, try the other competing wax. Take a lot of notes and compare with good digital photos.

Good luck.........these two represent some of the finest examples of pure carnauba waxes.

**imported_agentf1** · 03-10-2008, 08:45 PM

SV Concorso gets my vote. It is much easier to work with. Although, Zymol smells better but I hate the grainy feel and oily spots it would leave if you did not wipe it off good enough.

**Mikeyc** · 03-10-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by z06meister

SV Concorso gets my vote. It is much easier to work with. Although, Zymol smells better but I hate the grainy feel and oily spots it would leave if you did not wipe it off good enough.

:werd:

I recently switched after using Zymol for 10 years to using Swissvax. SV is much easier to work with and is significantly more durable.

**Accumulator** · 03-11-2008, 11:29 AM

Hmmm...I`m intrigued by all this talk about SV being more user-friendly :think:

**imported_Detailing Technology** · 03-11-2008, 11:53 AM

I dont think its major "pro" is that it is user friendly.

I had a more difficult time than usual removing it. I had to stop using the Pakshak Ultra-Fine and use an Ultra-Smooth as these white "specks" left behind on the paint were pulling the fibers from the towel. The car looked like it had a fine white beard growing. I also needed to spray the surface with cold water to remove all of these white "specks" on the surface which I believe, from reading on the forums, to be carnauba wax. some oils were left behind, clearly a side effect of too much product.

Maybe it was an application, condition, or removal process that I bothched.

1. Wash with Poorboys Super Slick & Suds via foam gun and a microfiber wash mitt

2. Dry with leaf blower and Pakshak Ultra-Soft waffle weave microfiber

3. Apply thin layer of wax with water moistened yellow foam pad

4. Allow to cure for 12-15 minutes in 65 degree garage

5. Remove with Pakshak Ultra-Smooth microfiber

6. Buff random areas with cold water and Pakshak Ultra-Plush microfiber

Could the use of bare hands or a warm application pad help melt the product, therefore allowing a more smooth application and removal?

**superstring** · 03-11-2008, 12:13 PM

jsatek, I`ve heard that Mystery can be difficult (as opposed to Concorso), but how come no SV Cleaner Fluid?

**Accumulator** · 03-11-2008, 12:32 PM

jsatek- Yikes, that sounds like a real PIA

**Mikeyc** · 03-11-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by jsatek

I dont think its major "pro" is that it is user friendly.

I had a more difficult time than usual removing it. I had to stop using the Pakshak Ultra-Fine and use an Ultra-Smooth as these white "specks" left behind on the paint were pulling the fibers from the towel. The car looked like it had a fine white beard growing. I also needed to spray the surface with cold water to remove all of these white "specks" on the surface which I believe, from reading on the forums, to be carnauba wax. some oils were left behind, clearly a side effect of too much product.

Maybe it was an application, condition, or removal process that I bothched.

1. Wash with Poorboys Super Slick & Suds via foam gun and a microfiber wash mitt

2. Dry with leaf blower and Pakshak Ultra-Soft waffle weave microfiber

3. Apply thin layer of wax with water moistened yellow foam pad

4. Allow to cure for 12-15 minutes in 65 degree garage

5. Remove with Pakshak Ultra-Smooth microfiber

6. Buff random areas with cold water and Pakshak Ultra-Plush microfiber

Could the use of bare hands or a warm application pad help melt the product, therefore allowing a more smooth application and removal?

I`m not familiar with Mystery, but compared to all the Zymols I`ve used Concourso is a breeze. It went right on and buffed right off. Neither Zymol or Swissvax will ever be compared to Souveran or P21S in terms of ease of use. However, there is a significant difference in that category between the two brands.

**Accumulator** · 03-11-2008, 05:16 PM

Mikeyc- Thanks for your take on the SW vs. Zymol. I appreciate all the experiences/opinions, even those that differ. While lbls1 and I bicker and tease each other about these pricey waxes, I *am* seriously interested in them as I sure want to get the right one (for me) if/when the time comes.

**lbls1** · 03-11-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Accumulator

Mikeyc- Thanks for your take on the SW vs. Zymol. I appreciate all the experiences/opinions, even those that differ. While lbls1 and I bicker and tease each other about these pricey waxes, I *am* seriously interested in them as I sure want to get the right one (for me) if/when the time comes.

Heh Heh....when.....?