Using a sealant after Meguiars #80

**mikebai1990** · 08-01-2007, 01:56 PM

I`ve heard that Meguiars 80 leaves "trade-secret" oils and will interfere with the bonding of sesalants. If I plan on using the DG line, and I have 601 PBA, will it be sufficient to remove these trade oils?

**the other pc** · 08-01-2007, 02:21 PM

#80 certainly doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t interfere with any of MeguiarÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sealants. They recommend you use it prior to their LSPÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s.

If somebody elseÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sealants canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t handle topping a simple glaze, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s up to them.

PC.

**ron231** · 08-01-2007, 02:50 PM

I disagree, I have tried topping #80 with #21 and it absolutely did not bond. I have used #21 over many other polishes just fine, but it absolutely did not bond over #80.

It could be user error, but I highly doubt that because every other time I have used #21 I have had no problems.

**the other pc** · 08-01-2007, 02:56 PM

Hmm, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know what to tellÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ya. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve used #21 over #80 countless times. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a standard process for me and lots of my friends. Always works great for us.

PC.

**BlackElantraGT** · 08-01-2007, 03:18 PM

I would not put a sealant over #80 and I believe this has been the reason why I`ve never seen the durability with NXT that some people have gotten. I`ve always used NXT over #80 or #3 Machine Glaze and durability for NXT was always horrible.

If you don`t think there`s any trade secret oil, the next time after you polish with #80, wash your car and it will bead better than any Meg`s product you`ve seen (minus Ultimate Quik Detailer as I haven`t used that in person)

**ron231** · 08-01-2007, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by the other pc

Hmm, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know what to tellÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ya. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve used #21 over #80 countless times. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a standard process for me and lots of my friends. Always works great for us.

PC.

I thought that the first day or so, then it rained... It was certainly not the type of beading I was used to from #21.

**BlueLibby04** · 08-01-2007, 09:50 PM

#80 uses alot of the same oils as #7.. Ive always used NXT over #7 and Ive never had any issues.

**BlackElantraGT** · 08-01-2007, 09:54 PM

I just remembered that the times I used NXT without #80 or #3 under it, it was on wheels and I don`t know why I didn`t come to that conclusion earlier, but now it makes sense why I was surprised NXT protected the wheels better than I was expecting.

**mikebai1990** · 08-02-2007, 08:57 AM

Hm... So what should I do to remove those oils? Would a wash be sufficient, or do I have to do an IPA wipedown? Furthermore, would any of you know whether 601 can remove these oils?

**Scottwax** · 08-02-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by BlackElantraGT

If you don`t think there`s any trade secret oil, the next time after you polish with #80, wash your car and it will bead better than any Meg`s product you`ve seen (minus Ultimate Quik Detailer as I haven`t used that in person)

#80 lays down a mild, new paint safe polymer protectant. I`ve used it with NXT with zero problems.

**Jesstzn** · 08-02-2007, 03:41 PM

I`ve used all kinds of stuff over #80 without problems including #21.

BTW how are you determining #21 didn`t bond to #80?

**94BlkStang** · 08-02-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by ron231

I disagree, I have tried topping #80 with #21 and it absolutely did not bond. I have used #21 over many other polishes just fine, but it absolutely did not bond over #80.

It could be user error, but I highly doubt that because every other time I have used #21 I have had no problems.

Same as others, I have used NXT, #21, #20, UPP, Poor Boys EX-P over #80 and have never had an issue. #80 is a very nice polish and does a nice job of cleaning up anything created by DACP.

:waxing:

**PRB** · 08-03-2007, 10:23 PM

I`m another one who uses M21 after M80. No problems with bonding or durability that others have mentioned

I`m working with a sample of Danase Paint Sealant that I am going to have to test over M80 sometime.

**Patman** · 09-04-2007, 08:01 PM

I`m planning on polishing the minor scratches from my black 98 Corvette with a UDM/white LC pad and #83, followed by #80, followed by #21, so would I be better off leaving the #80 on the car for a few weeks (and a couple of washes) before adding #21? Or can I do it right away? If I do it right away do I need to give the car a good wash in between the #80 and #21?

**Jesstzn** · 09-04-2007, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Patman

I`m planning on polishing the minor scratches from my black 98 Corvette with a UDM/white LC pad and #83, followed by #80, followed by #21, so would I be better off leaving the #80 on the car for a few weeks (and a couple of washes) before adding #21? Or can I do it right away? If I do it right away do I need to give the car a good wash in between the #80 and #21?

#80 is a polish not a sealant or wax and offers no protection. No need to wash between the #80 and the #21.