Is Pinnacle Souveran worth the $70 admission?

**usracer900** · 04-16-2006, 07:44 PM

Oh my god, this stuff is $70 for the paste wax? Is this the stuff that everyone raves about or the liquid version? Is there that much difference? I`m looking for the best shine/pop, deepest, wettest look possible on my black Miata. I`ve already invested in a slew of polishes, Klasse twins, Menzurna twins, microfiber this and that, might as well get the best was possible. Is it worth it?

Also, I have the S100 wax and it`s nice, will I notice that much of a difference if I get the $70 Souveran?

Thanks!

**Beason** · 04-16-2006, 07:46 PM

Given it is an incredible wax, but in all honesty the real work comes from prep not the LSP. I love the look of EX and Nattys Blue on black. Extremely wet look

**JasonD** · 04-16-2006, 07:47 PM

Nah, I don`t think so. Souveran is awesome, and I have it, but I also have P21S (S100) and it`s *very* close.

The paste version is the one everyone is always talking about. The liquid version is for light colored cars.

Regardless, I would polish and seal with the Klasse twins, and then make it deeper and wetter looking by adding the paste wax of your choice. They all look great.

**drewski59** · 04-16-2006, 08:23 PM

Like Beason said, prep is everything!

Turtle Wax will look great over a flawlessly prepped surface. That being said, Souveran is a great wax. However, P21s(or its sister s100) will give you 9/10ths everything Souveran will, for only around $13. Is that how much it costs now??

Like JDookie suggested, get your paint swirl-free, use the Klasse twins, and then top with s100. If you aren`t satiated by that, then just maybe Souveran will be worth the admission price for you!

Good luck!

**Scottwax** · 04-16-2006, 10:09 PM

Carnauba Moose and Poorboy`s EX w/carnauba come close enough in appearance for most people. However, Souveran does have a pretty incredible look and one jar is more then enough for 50 applications.

**RCBuddha** · 04-16-2006, 10:22 PM

I personally don`t think Souveran is worth $70, but it does look very good, and is very easy to apply and remove.

**a.k.a. Patrick** · 04-16-2006, 10:28 PM

I have never used it, and at that price, I never will.............

**ShineBoy** · 04-16-2006, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by a.k.a. Patrick

I have never used it, and at that price, I never will.............

I just ordered some today... I`ll let you borrow it when you borrow the rotary!

James

**imported_memnuts** · 04-17-2006, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by MasterShineBoy

I just ordered some today... I`ll let you borrow it when you borrow the rotary!

James

There you go Patrick. True Autopian generosity!!!

MasterShineBoy

I have tested Souveran, P21S and FK Pink Wax. On a well prep black finish they all appear the same. All wonderful carnuaba-based products. Slight edge to FKPW - price verses final appearance results.

With that stated, one must at least once experience the Souveran Zone. :getdown

**pup** · 04-17-2006, 03:26 AM

When you first open the jar and take a slight wiff of the scent you will deem it more then a worthwhile investment!!

I use it my self and just opening the tub makes all the work before it that much worth while.

Hell I wash the car just so I have a reason to use it hehehe!

**Bill D** · 04-17-2006, 05:34 AM

It goes on sale sometimes but it is still sky high. I echo what the others have said: go S100. IMO, you`re paying all that extra cash for your garage to smell like boutique suntan lotion.

**TGates** · 04-17-2006, 06:00 AM

I think Souveran is worth it on flat black and red. On metallics, or other darker colors, I think most people are better off with the cheaper Pinnacle Signature Series II which is fantastic, or Natty`s Blue. DP Max Wax is also a worthy substitute for Souveran from what I`ve read and it`s pretty cheap as well.

The best bang for the buck carnauba I`ve tried is S100. It gives bright crisp reflections, is cost effective, and can be bought locally at most motorcycle shops (not just Harley-Davidson, either). If I had to have just one carnauba, it woould probably be Sig II.

**imported_Bence** · 04-17-2006, 06:38 AM

I`d rather buy all three Victoria Waxes instead and take three different whiffs...

**TGates** · 04-17-2006, 06:48 AM

I`ve seen Souveran go for pretty cheap, less than half price before at Autogeek. I`d wait for it to go on sale and pick up a jar of it then, and use one of the other cheaper carnaubas listed here to tide you over until then.

**LightngSVT** · 04-17-2006, 08:15 AM

I love Soveran personally! I think there is a difference between it and most others, although in pics Nattys blue comes real close (I havent used NAtty personally yet). Ther is a different look, a glow that Soveran has that even S100 doesnt (IMO). I say its worth the price, espeically if you find it on sale, and it will go al LONG way.