UPP bonding with RMG or VM?

**percynjpn** · 03-07-2006, 08:28 AM

Hi Folks,

I`ve just bought RMG and VM for the first time (from PAKSHAK-great service as always!), which I plan to use under UPP as the LSP on my gold metallic Silvia. Has anyone had any issues with water-based UPP bonding with those two poducts?

Thank you.

Todd

**imported_Sludge** · 03-07-2006, 10:24 AM

Todd,

I searched quite a few threads before using UPP on RMG and the concensus was that it is OK.

It looks good on my car.

Gordon

**imported_Neothin** · 03-07-2006, 11:07 AM

yep. bonds fine. Go for it!

**DM101** · 03-07-2006, 01:23 PM

Worked great on the RX8

**Setec Astronomy** · 03-07-2006, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by percynjpn

...had any issues with water-based UPP...

Water-based? UPP is one of the most solventy-smelling products I have!

**SpoiledMan** · 03-07-2006, 08:47 PM

UPP over RMG looks excellent but is about as durable as a QD.

**a.k.a. Patrick** · 03-07-2006, 09:48 PM

UPP on any type of glaze will not sit great. It will sit well, but not as it is intended.......Durability will definetely be compromised...

I use UPP quite a bit and never use a glaze prior to applying......Just my own individual experience.....

**percynjpn** · 03-08-2006, 06:27 AM

Thank you for all of your replies.

Todd

**percynjpn** · 03-08-2006, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

Water-based? UPP is one of the most solventy-smelling products I have!

As far as I know, it is in fact water-based, though that doesn`t mean it doesn`t contain solvents.

**Setec Astronomy** · 03-08-2006, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by percynjpn

As far as I know, it is in fact water-based, though that doesn`t mean it doesn`t contain solvents.

Oddly, they don`t seem to say much about this anymore at the PAC site (they let the $24.95 price speak for itself--when did this stuff get so expensive?), over at Autogeek they say "The water-based Four Star formula..." but also "The rich Tri-Polymer formula is refined with mineral spirits". I don`t know at what point something changes over from water-based to solvent-based, but compared to say, NXT, EX-P, SG, it`s got quite a solvent odor.

**percynjpn** · 03-09-2006, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

. I don`t know at what point something changes over from water-based to solvent-based, but compared to say, NXT, EX-P, SG, it`s got quite a solvent odor.

I understand what you mean; I suspect that some manufacturers may choose what the official "base" is by what they think their customers would prefer (for bonding issues, etc), even though it may not actually be the "base" component. Of course, with many products it`s obvious.

**derek37** · 03-13-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by a.k.a. Patrick

UPP on any type of glaze will not sit great. It will sit well, but not as it is intended.......Durability will definetely be compromised...

I use UPP quite a bit and never use a glaze prior to applying......Just my own individual experience.....

Now Patrick, would this be true with all sealants or just UPP, in your opinion.

I never knew that about UPP; thanks for the info :xyxthumbs

**JaCkaL829** · 03-13-2006, 08:24 PM

I`ve used that combo before (RMG/UPP) and was pretty impressed with it. I also had Optimum Polish/UPP on my car and didn`t see much of a difference durability wise between the two. They both were OK.