TURBO-CHARGE or SUPER-CHARGE?!?!?

**Ben Z.** · 02-10-2005, 09:34 PM

I have a crazy idea: Why not keep your racing off the streets? Spend the money on some track time.

To answer your question though, I`d go turbo if you want to kill babies and grandmothers

**MongooseGA** · 02-10-2005, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Ben Z.

I have a crazy idea: Why not keep your racing off the streets? Spend the money on some track time.

To answer your question though, I`d go turbo if you want to kill babies and grandmothers

I agree with the first sentence.

I must have misunderstood the 2nd :nixweiss

**hftw Audi 6** · 02-10-2005, 09:44 PM

Keep racing off the streets well i first hand should say i have learned my lesson my uncle went to jail for 16 years.....involuntary man slaughter for killing a girl racing on dpa about 20 somewhat years ago! But as far as keeping it off the streets i agree but wen and if i race or am by races we make sure there is no harm that can be done to anyone around us!!! As for the babies and grandmothers thing?!?!?!!?!?

**VictoryRed** · 02-10-2005, 09:46 PM

Join SCCA

http://www.scca.org/

**hftw Audi 6** · 02-10-2005, 09:47 PM

Ohh another thing there are no tracks within a small enough distance of me to want to commute to wen i can just go to a mile long straight away 10 minutes from my house that is abandoned....lol

**Ben Z.** · 02-10-2005, 09:58 PM

Well, you`re getting a car that can actually handle, why do you only want to race it in a straight line? I think Mustangs or Camaros would be much better suited to that (not to say they can`t be made to handle well, it`s just that they are great for drag-racing).

BTW, the 2nd comment was hyperbole.

**hftw Audi 6** · 02-10-2005, 10:16 PM

got it no i agree those cars are hot to but freekin suck down gas!!

**vick-e** · 02-10-2005, 10:22 PM

the comment about how long the car will last.

i know of an 2000 type R thats been modded with a turbo with 12psi and its lasted till now with no problems. his main engine mod is the turbo and lightened flywheel.

its all about the tuning...if you do not tune the car correctly, it is going to blow up. like i said if you are going to turbo or charge the car, make sure the tuner you take it too have tuned cars like this(high compression cars that are turboed)

since its stock id say keep it under 7 psi. should make at least 50hp with proper tuning. id recomend a microtech chip. that chip may even give you 10 more hp plus some. dont use crappy safc. they are good but personally by what i have seen long run microtech is better.

if you have the money why not rip the engine out and do some rod upgrades and such if your afraid of the engine blowing.

but with such little boost it should be no problem. just make sure you go not go over 10psi just to be on the safeside

**Ben Z.** · 02-10-2005, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by hftw Audi 6

got it no i agree those cars are hot to but freekin suck down gas!!

Cool, good point. I am not all that familiar with the japanese tuning scene, so have a few questions:

-Do people who turbo or supercharge an NA generally go stand alone, piggyback or just get chips? I think I heard that AEM makes pretty much plug-and-play stand alones for Hondas and such for only a little over a grand. If I could get something like that for a grand for my car I`d be all over it.

-How much do a set of pistons and/or rods cost for your car to lower the compression to 9:1 or so? I`d think you`d be able to run quite a bit of boost and with a moderately sized turbo not have much lag.

-What would it cost to get a turbo, injectors (I assume), intercooler, exhaust and other required bits and pieces for one of your cars?

thanks,

Ben Z.

**Big Casino** · 02-10-2005, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by NavindraLR

thats why im going na. ill still have honda reliability, with a low 12 second car

low 12`s NA.? In a 4 banger Honda?

I mean I got Honda reliability and an 11 sec car, there just not at the same time. No seriously my Cobra is as reliable as it gets. Its not only a daily driver, its my work car, 100 miles a day in town.

I love the Roots SuperCharger. You get all you power instantly down low. Turbo cars are Fast. But the lag diffinately shows against Roots type blowers more so than maybe Centrifical blowers.

**splattj** · 02-11-2005, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Ben Z.

Cool, good point. I am not all that familiar with the japanese tuning scene, so have a few questions:

-Do people who turbo or supercharge an NA generally go stand alone, piggyback or just get chips? I think I heard that AEM makes pretty much plug-and-play stand alones for Hondas and such for only a little over a grand. If I could get something like that for a grand for my car I`d be all over it.

-How much do a set of pistons and/or rods cost for your car to lower the compression to 9:1 or so? I`d think you`d be able to run quite a bit of boost and with a moderately sized turbo not have much lag.

-What would it cost to get a turbo, injectors (I assume), intercooler, exhaust and other required bits and pieces for one of your cars?

thanks,

Ben Z.

- The nice thing about many of the supercharger kits is that they`ll put out very consistant amounts of air and therefore can be packaged with a reprogrammed ECU or a chip that doesn`t really require tuning. If you`re going with a homemade setup you`ll need a piggyback like an SAFC or a stand-alone. The stand-alones are just over a grand but tuning them on a dyno can cost you that much again. Most true stand-alones don`t just start-up and run like the car just rolled out of the factory. A lot of time and tweaking is involved.

- You can get a set of rods and pistons for a 4cyl car for about $1000. But the machine shop work will approach that much again including things like a new head-gasket, head studs, main bearings, and assembly of the engine. Then there`s the labor of R&Ring the engine. A built engine including labor, parts, and services will run around $5,000 if you pay someone else to do everything. The compression ratio you want will depend on how much boost you`re looking to run. Adding boost essentially raises the effective compression ratio. If you`re going to get a big, slow spooling turbo that you want to run 30+psi with, a 7.5:1-8.0:1 compression ratio will be what you`re looking at. If you want to run a smaller, faster spooling turbo at 15 psi, 8.5:1-9.5:1 would be more appropriate. Also keep in mind that a low compression engine will have less power when it`s not under boost. So from idle-3500 (or more with a huge turbo!) you`ll feel pretty gutless. The good news is once you`re going you keep shifting near redline and you`ll stay in the power.

- As far as turbo kits go, a well thought-out, single turbo kit often approaches $4000. A home-brew kit can be had for around $1500-$2500. Thanks to knock-off products ranging from turbos to intercoolers quality of these products varies wildy. A shiny, stainless steel tubular turbo header can be had off ebay for $250. When you get it, you`ll find out the tube walls are way too thin and after vibration and heat cycles the manifold will crack and fall off your car! Supercharger kits usually start out at about the same price as turbo kits.

If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me.

**NavindraLR** · 02-11-2005, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by MongooseGA

Low 12`s, eh?

What are you mods besides the goodies you just got in? Headers, exhaust, CAI, ?

I assume it`s handling is amazing.

Me, I prefer turbos. Look at my avatar. There`s just something about that spooling that makes me grin.

beside the mods i got, once spring hits, im buying the following:

BM-45121 B&M Precision Sport Shifter 185.00 1/17/2005

EXE-OCFC Exedy Organic Clutch and Flywheel Kit 690.00 1/17/2005

NOL-011-014-046 Nology Hot Wires: Blue 188.00 1/17/2005

CRO-B-93738B-4 Crower Billet Rods: K20 789.00 1/17/2005

ING-93000 Ingalls Engine Damper 145.00 1/17/2005

CRO-84164 Crower Valve Springs & Titanium Retainers 439.00 1/17/2005

CRO-63451-2 Crower Stage 1 Cams 776.00 1/17/2005

HD-NPECU Hondata K-Pro: New ECU 1595.00 2/11/2005

Color-Silver

Hondata Sticker Color-Blue

Serial Number-2068

Hondata Intake Gasket-Yes 65.00

VIN Number-1234567890

Include K-Pro DVD-Yes 30.00

JDM LSD

should be good for low 12`s

**NavindraLR** · 02-11-2005, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by hftw Audi 6

Thats tru well i am gonna have to really research on it! Nice mods by the way!!! U have to meet up with me sometime i wanna hear that exhaust!! Got any ideas for wheels yet!??!

yup.. just ordered my rims today

5 Zigen 18" Bronze

**NavindraLR** · 02-11-2005, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Big Casino

low 12`s NA.? In a 4 banger Honda?

I mean I got Honda reliability and an 11 sec car, there just not at the same time. No seriously my Cobra is as reliable as it gets. Its not only a daily driver, its my work car, 100 miles a day in town.

I love the Roots SuperCharger. You get all you power instantly down low. Turbo cars are Fast. But the lag diffinately shows against Roots type blowers more so than maybe Centrifical blowers.

not bashing.. but just a funny quote that relates to what u said

"god created turbo lag to give v8`s a chance"

**splattj** · 02-11-2005, 12:47 PM

From what I can find on the Acura boards, the best NA time I could find that was verified with timeslips was a 13.5. There`s one guy running a 12.8 with 8psi from a turbo kit but that`s not NA, now is it?

I`d say your mod list will put you solidly in the 13s unless you`re shaving 600lbs off the car somehow...

I`m not looking to start anything here. Your mod list looks very well thought out and the RSXs are a blast to drive but I just don`t think you should set your expectations too high.

I`d love for you to come back in the spring and revive this thread with a pic of your low 12 timeslip. Most importantly, have fun with your car.